GPS VS TELMETRY

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GPS VS TELEMTRY? WICH DO YOU PERFER

Poll ended at Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:32 am

GPS hands down
21
53%
TELEMTRY hands down
1
3%
Both
18
45%
 
Total votes: 40
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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby Trueblue » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:45 am

ferjr wrote: If I didnt have a Garmin, I probably wouldnt be hunting hounds, telemetry is just to much of a pain in the a$$. JMO.


Using a telemetry collar along with your GPS probably wouldn't help you anyways as it sounds like you never learned how to use telemetry equipment.It's really not as difficult as you make it sound,it just takes a little experience.
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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby ferjr » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:11 am

Trueblue wrote:
ferjr wrote: If I didnt have a Garmin, I probably wouldnt be hunting hounds, telemetry is just to much of a pain in the a$$. JMO.


Using a telemetry collar along with your GPS probably wouldn't help you anyways as it sounds like you never learned how to use telemetry equipment.It's really not as difficult as you make it sound,it just takes a little experience.


I have seen people that has been using them for 20+ years say the same thing. You get signal bounce and will have false readings, especially arround these mountains, you spend more time looking for your dogs than the whole race takes, you can have a one hour race turn into several hours of just trying to locate your dogs, not my cup of tea.
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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby George Streepy » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:37 am

I prefer GPS over telemetry. I used telemetry for a long time before GPS came out. I have always said you can track with GPS just as far but when I was in Southern Utah there were times the GPS left something to be desired. The longer range antenna helped quite a bit though. I had that longer range antenna behind the seat in my truck for a couple years and never used it in the Pacific Northwest. I took it out in Utah and we spent the rest of the week fighting over it. Before I left I threw it in a package deal with the guy from Utah simply because I figured he would need it more than me.

That being said in the right geography nothing comes close to GPS in my opinion.
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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby Trueblue » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:52 am

ferjr wrote:
Trueblue wrote:
ferjr wrote: If I didnt have a Garmin, I probably wouldnt be hunting hounds, telemetry is just to much of a pain in the a$$. JMO.


Using a telemetry collar along with your GPS probably wouldn't help you anyways as it sounds like you never learned how to use telemetry equipment.It's really not as difficult as you make it sound,it just takes a little experience.


I have seen people that has been using them for 20+ years say the same thing. You get signal bounce and will have false readings, especially arround these mountains, you spend more time looking for your dogs than the whole race takes, you can have a one hour race turn into several hours of just trying to locate your dogs, not my cup of tea.


You are right about that ferjr.I have also observed guys that have been following hounds for a long time and for some reason they never could learn to be proficient with their telemetry equipment.My dogs wear both GPS and telemetry.It is cheap insurance.
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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby wackysam16 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:39 pm

We run both collars on the dogs around here, the Garmin really helps with locating your dogs faster and getting to the tree faster, but there have been multiple occasions where we have lost the dogs on it and have not got them back, even when we pick them up and they are in the truck. After we charge the collars they are fine the next morning. But the extra beep collars provide that extra security, so if the Garmin fails you always have that backup, we have only had to pull the tracking system out from behind the seat a couple times, but those times it felt good to know that you still had it on the dogs. I will say that we will always run both collars on the dogs, because i cannot trust the Garmin enough not to.
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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby JIM HARRIS » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:00 pm

I HAVE USED BOTH AND BOTH HAVE THEIR ADVANTAGES IN GIVEN TOPOGRAPHY AND SITUATIONS. HAVING USED THE TELEMETRY SINCE THE 70'S I FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH IT. WE HAD ONE SITUATION THIS PAST FALL WHERE SOME OF THE DOGS HAD BOTH COLLARS AND SOME HAD ONLY THE TELEMETRY. WE HAD A SPLIT HUNT WHERE ONE OF BEST FEMALES WENT ONE WAY AND I WENT AFTER HER CATCHING HER BEFORE SHE GOT ON THE INDIAN RESERVATION I WAS USEING TELEMETRY. WHEN I WENT BACK FOR THE REST OF THE PACK THERE WAS NO GPS SIGNAL AND NO TELEMTRY BEEP. I WOUND UP GOING UP ON A HIGH MT AND GOT A WEAK TELEMETRY BEEP AND NO GARMIN SIGNAL.. I CAUGHT UP WITH THEM 14 MILES AWAY. THIS SITUATION IS EXACTLY WHY I ALWAYS USE A TELEMETRY COLLAR . THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE THE GARMIN HAS SHOWN ME WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH GIVEN DOGS ON GIVEN HUNTS.

ALL OF THIS SAID, A GARMIN WORKS WELL UP CLOSE AND AT THE SAME TIME A GOOD HOUNDSMAN CAN TELL WITH HIS EARS WHAT IS HAPPENING. IN MY MIND THAT IS WHAT A HUNT IS ALL ABOUT.

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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby Desert Hounds » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:19 am

In short, to understand how Garmin and Telemetry work. They are similar but different. Garmin works on a MURS signal PING from the dog collar to your handheld (not GPS) and converts collected data from your hand held, which collects GPS data from Iridium or Imarsat commercial satellites. What makes Telemetry better is longer battery life and stronger transmission signals at further distances. Granted you must understand how to interpret signal bouncing off terrain. Garmin rechargeable batteries (16 hours?) are short lived and the lost of dogs can occur easier than with Telemetry. I used Garmin for two years and always had major problems trying to locate my scattered dogs. Then recovered the dogs two weeks later. I wish I had Telemetry at the time. Both together may work, provide their isn't any interference with antennas and frequency.

I have been working on a system that would use true GPS satellites and not PING signals or cell phone internet signals. It would show real live tracking. This is all military grade satellite equipment. The same hardware that is used by our troops in Afghanistan. It is expensive!!! It is difficult to justify the costs per year to use it. But over the years, the technology and costs are getting closer to being practical.
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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby Big Horn Posse » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:54 am

I found out the hard way this last Sunday that bot the DC30 and DC40 collars only last about 22 hours battery life. Couldn't get into the dogs before dark and had to spend the night on the mountain. Turned them on at 7:30AM and they were dead before 5:00AM the next morning before my buddies could get into them. Not a good feeling not knowing where your dog is. Other than that I love the GPS :)
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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby Desert Hounds » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:00 am

That is a sick feeling when your equipment is dead and the dogs are nowhere to be found.
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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby ridgerunner » Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:22 pm

I hunt bear in northern WI. My biggest problem with the "gps" collars is that when you run into other groups in the same sections, they tend to get interference with other hunting group's collars. collar numbers go to 50, but the last number seem to clash. for example, a 08 will clash with a 38 collar. Otherwise for the terrain we hunt. If you lose signal, there is usually a logging trail/road to get you closer. Just my opinion
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Re: GPS VS TELMETRY

Postby Ayers Mtn. Kennels » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:32 pm

I run both on my hounds.I use the GPS mainly anymore but its just as easy to put the johnson on at the same time.More insurance to gettin them old pot lickers gathered up.

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