Decline of the Redbone Hound ??
Good Thread. I had to dig in to the past and pull up some of thses photos of my red dogs...I got my first hound in 1981 .. I always wanted a Redbone, but could not find one in Arizona. I finally found the type of Redbone I wanted in Monson Mass. A guy by the name of Frank Peck was a bear hunter and used Redbones...I sent for one of his pups I think around August of 1981...I had the only Registered Redbone in Arizona at the time.Shortly after I got that pup, a good buddy of mine gave me a female Bluetick pup...Those were the 2 pups i started with...I caught my first lion with those 2 dogs Jan of 1983
My first red pup ( Buck )
The letter from Frank Peck
My dogs at around a year
There first lion
My truck stuck in the mud
After hunting my male for about 2 years, I caught a fare amount of lion and bear with him and my other dog..I started searching for a good female to breed him too.I went through several female pups before deciding on 2...I drove to Missouri and met with Dorman Clouse. I bought a pup from him out of his Reverend Red dog...Later on, I drove to Broken Arrow Oklahoma and got a pup from Richard Chatman out of his Timber Scout and Timber Marge dogs...Those dogs were out of Northern Hoss and Swetnams Rose Max Star...My male dog was heavy Blakesley bred.
I hunted those females for a couple of years and they were great dogs...That was the stock I started my breeding program with.
Here is a photo of my male and 2 females I started with
My male dog on a lion tree that he treed himself
I hunted these dogs alot..They were some of the grittiest dogs I have ever owned...They were also the most grudge carrying dogs I have ever owned..My male dogs fought each other a lot...
In the mid 80s I met this rancher named Dink . I heard he had a weakness for wine and cigarrettes...I brought him some of both and we became good friends...Dinks place was the last place on the Blue . the road dead ended at his place. After his place, was either foot or horse traffic all the way to Safford...I hunted south of his place a lot. I caught several lions around his place...I hunted the area enough to tell you that there are easier places to hunt ...
I helped Dink with his branding and horning of his calves one spring...He was a neat guy. He was in his 70's at the time, and could still out work most guys half his age...Me included..He is the one who told me about the old timers and where they hunted.
Dink
Of course I would have to hunt where the Lee Brothers hunted.Me and my buddy hit the Chiricahuas and Paradise area a lot...I was going to hunt my Redbones in the tracks of the Lee brothers for sure...In these 2 photos, we were about 9000 feet....You can see Rucker Lake in the background
After hunting the southern area for a couple of years,I spent a lot of time in Utah and hunted there as much as I could for about 4-5 years...I hunted with the Mechams a lot. I noticed that my dogs seemed to have better noses than their dogs, but they sure didnt have their dogs speed...That was about the time I learned the difference between trailing and catching...I ended up buying one of their dogs that came off one of their lion studies...He ended up being the best all around dog I have ever owned...The week after I got him, I caught 4 lions in 3 days...He seemed to put the finishing touch on my pack...All in all , I caught 17 lions that year with just my dogs ...The next year, everything fell apart...I lost 4 of my Redbones within a 9 month period....3 from Valley Fever and One from Tick Fever..It really was a gut check for me....I was left with 3 dogs , and only one was one of my Redbones . After that, I never pursued the Redbone breed with any zeal...I turned down an offer from the making of the second Red Fern movie...My heart wasn't in it..I thought the movie was part of the downfall of the Redbone breed because they became so popular from the movie...
Everyone was breeding and selling Redbones...They were pretty and suffered the same fate as the irish Setter in a way...Great show dogs....There are some real good Redbones out there, and if a person wanted to be picky. He could put a pack of Redbones together to do just as good as any other strain of dog s out there...
Thanks for the stroll down Memory Lane
My 2 boys
Good luck to ya....Coop
My first red pup ( Buck )
The letter from Frank Peck
My dogs at around a year
There first lion
My truck stuck in the mud
After hunting my male for about 2 years, I caught a fare amount of lion and bear with him and my other dog..I started searching for a good female to breed him too.I went through several female pups before deciding on 2...I drove to Missouri and met with Dorman Clouse. I bought a pup from him out of his Reverend Red dog...Later on, I drove to Broken Arrow Oklahoma and got a pup from Richard Chatman out of his Timber Scout and Timber Marge dogs...Those dogs were out of Northern Hoss and Swetnams Rose Max Star...My male dog was heavy Blakesley bred.
I hunted those females for a couple of years and they were great dogs...That was the stock I started my breeding program with.
Here is a photo of my male and 2 females I started with
My male dog on a lion tree that he treed himself
I hunted these dogs alot..They were some of the grittiest dogs I have ever owned...They were also the most grudge carrying dogs I have ever owned..My male dogs fought each other a lot...
In the mid 80s I met this rancher named Dink . I heard he had a weakness for wine and cigarrettes...I brought him some of both and we became good friends...Dinks place was the last place on the Blue . the road dead ended at his place. After his place, was either foot or horse traffic all the way to Safford...I hunted south of his place a lot. I caught several lions around his place...I hunted the area enough to tell you that there are easier places to hunt ...
I helped Dink with his branding and horning of his calves one spring...He was a neat guy. He was in his 70's at the time, and could still out work most guys half his age...Me included..He is the one who told me about the old timers and where they hunted.
Dink
Of course I would have to hunt where the Lee Brothers hunted.Me and my buddy hit the Chiricahuas and Paradise area a lot...I was going to hunt my Redbones in the tracks of the Lee brothers for sure...In these 2 photos, we were about 9000 feet....You can see Rucker Lake in the background
After hunting the southern area for a couple of years,I spent a lot of time in Utah and hunted there as much as I could for about 4-5 years...I hunted with the Mechams a lot. I noticed that my dogs seemed to have better noses than their dogs, but they sure didnt have their dogs speed...That was about the time I learned the difference between trailing and catching...I ended up buying one of their dogs that came off one of their lion studies...He ended up being the best all around dog I have ever owned...The week after I got him, I caught 4 lions in 3 days...He seemed to put the finishing touch on my pack...All in all , I caught 17 lions that year with just my dogs ...The next year, everything fell apart...I lost 4 of my Redbones within a 9 month period....3 from Valley Fever and One from Tick Fever..It really was a gut check for me....I was left with 3 dogs , and only one was one of my Redbones . After that, I never pursued the Redbone breed with any zeal...I turned down an offer from the making of the second Red Fern movie...My heart wasn't in it..I thought the movie was part of the downfall of the Redbone breed because they became so popular from the movie...
Everyone was breeding and selling Redbones...They were pretty and suffered the same fate as the irish Setter in a way...Great show dogs....There are some real good Redbones out there, and if a person wanted to be picky. He could put a pack of Redbones together to do just as good as any other strain of dog s out there...
Thanks for the stroll down Memory Lane
My 2 boys
Good luck to ya....Coop
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Good pics Coop, thanks for sharing. Did you ever hunt with a guy named Terry LaFuze out of Phoenix?
I think the problem with redbones is the same as with many other breeds today. They are bred for something else than ability or kept for something other than hunting. I personally love redbones. There are a lot of other breeds out there and I would love to try some, but there is something about those long ears. I have two redbones that I purchased from Tom Solberg, and I think they are some of the best reds you can get. I really like Timber Choppers, but they charge a bit more than he does. My reds have T-Top, Hoffmeister, and Marrietta's blood in them.
The two reds that I have are a perfect match, my male is medium to cold nosed and fast as hell. When he was about 1 1/2 years old we were up hunting some flat land and ran into a herd of antelope. I swear he was closing the gap on those buggers. You should of seen it, it was hillarious. I'm yelling and honking my horn for them to stop while chasing after them in my truck, off road, trying to avoid ditches and the other dogs all while going at a fair speed. It was a good time. Nothing like using a 3 ton vehicle for trash breaking. My female is cold nosed and can follow a deer like nobodys business. Here are a few pics of them.
Here's my two reds shortly after I got them home from the airport.
Here's my daughter again with them at the mountain.
Chow time!! They used to run under my pit, now she runs under them!!
Time to cool off after a long run.
Sorry about not having any pics of my dogs under the tree, but my lense was broke, or was it that I left the camera in the truck? I'm not sure.
I think the problem with redbones is the same as with many other breeds today. They are bred for something else than ability or kept for something other than hunting. I personally love redbones. There are a lot of other breeds out there and I would love to try some, but there is something about those long ears. I have two redbones that I purchased from Tom Solberg, and I think they are some of the best reds you can get. I really like Timber Choppers, but they charge a bit more than he does. My reds have T-Top, Hoffmeister, and Marrietta's blood in them.
The two reds that I have are a perfect match, my male is medium to cold nosed and fast as hell. When he was about 1 1/2 years old we were up hunting some flat land and ran into a herd of antelope. I swear he was closing the gap on those buggers. You should of seen it, it was hillarious. I'm yelling and honking my horn for them to stop while chasing after them in my truck, off road, trying to avoid ditches and the other dogs all while going at a fair speed. It was a good time. Nothing like using a 3 ton vehicle for trash breaking. My female is cold nosed and can follow a deer like nobodys business. Here are a few pics of them.
Here's my two reds shortly after I got them home from the airport.
Here's my daughter again with them at the mountain.
Chow time!! They used to run under my pit, now she runs under them!!
Time to cool off after a long run.
Sorry about not having any pics of my dogs under the tree, but my lense was broke, or was it that I left the camera in the truck? I'm not sure.
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A dogvtreeing up looks good no matter what breed it is of ho
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There you go Zach, that's how red dogs look under the tree with a blue dog and Maltese plott thown in for extras....and that was before my zoom lense
Ya know we was looken at redbone photos and yacke in the memories and hey it it me about PECK ! no it was the same hunter you was talken about but out here on the west coast was very well knon houndman/ Louie Peck ! I wounder if he was related too the Peck you was talken bout . Every olere San Joaquine area hounds men and up in the pacific mtn rang and accrost over in the Sierra mtn rang knew or knew of ole Louie Peck back in the day/ he didn`t run redbones though. I was glad too meet Louie Peck and he was older when I met him and still hunted .
jack
There you go Zach, that's how red dogs look under the tree with a blue dog and Maltese plott thown in for extras....and that was before my zoom lense
Ya know we was looken at redbone photos and yacke in the memories and hey it it me about PECK ! no it was the same hunter you was talken about but out here on the west coast was very well knon houndman/ Louie Peck ! I wounder if he was related too the Peck you was talken bout . Every olere San Joaquine area hounds men and up in the pacific mtn rang and accrost over in the Sierra mtn rang knew or knew of ole Louie Peck back in the day/ he didn`t run redbones though. I was glad too meet Louie Peck and he was older when I met him and still hunted .
jack
More red power
I dug in the old files and came up with these
My wife in Utah at a bear tree
Red Man on a bear tree in New Mexico
Bear on the ground
Some good training
Another bear in the tree
Utah Lion 1994
Kirby doing it in style
Man those were good times...Good luck to ya....Coop
My wife in Utah at a bear tree
Red Man on a bear tree in New Mexico
Bear on the ground
Some good training
Another bear in the tree
Utah Lion 1994
Kirby doing it in style
Man those were good times...Good luck to ya....Coop
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Re: More red power
[quote="treed"]I dug in the old files and came up with these
My wife in Utah at a bear tree
Red Man on a bear tree in New Mexico
Bear on the ground
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Fine pics of reddogs Mr TREED/ I say that cause I`m adden this with all do respect though/ woooweeee that wife of yours wouls be an endangered species out west here/she is a fine repersantation of the species bubba !
jack
My wife in Utah at a bear tree
Red Man on a bear tree in New Mexico
Bear on the ground
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Fine pics of reddogs Mr TREED/ I say that cause I`m adden this with all do respect though/ woooweeee that wife of yours wouls be an endangered species out west here/she is a fine repersantation of the species bubba !
jack
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