Solid dogs can`t run track.
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- Bawl Mouth
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A man is not very smart that can,t find his wife 2 jobs.
And any wife should be able to support her man and a pack of hounds.
Never shock your dog off bad game
untill he knows what good game is. - Location: Kansas
THAT HAPPENED TO ME JUST THE OTHER NIGHT COON HUNTING. SHINED A PAIR OF EYES DOWN A DRY CANAL. WALKED TWO DOGS DOWN TO INVESTIGATE. THEY WOULDNT OPEN BUT THEY ACTED LIKE THEY COULD SMELL SOMETHING. I GUESSED THAT IT WAS SOME OFF GAME. WALKED DOWN THE BANK ANOTHER TWO HUNDRED YARDS AND WATCHED A COON CLIMB UP A TREE. NOT A DOG ON IT AND NOT EVEN A BARK. I JUST SCRATCHED MY HEAD AND WALKED BACK TO MY TRUCK. I GUESS I DONT HAVE MUCH FOR COON DOGS. FUNNY THING IS I HAVE SEEN THE SAME DOG DO WONDERFUL THINGS. I GUESS ITS OK TO HAVE A BAD DAY ONCE IN A WHILE? IF DOGS WERE PERFECT WE WOULD BE OUT OF GAME TO RUN!
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A man is not very smart that can,t find his wife 2 jobs.
And any wife should be able to support her man and a pack of hounds.
Never shock your dog off bad game
untill he knows what good game is. - Location: Kansas
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- Bawl Mouth
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I have had this problem several times on cats out in the dry eastern oregon desert especialy early in the persuit season when the weather is still warm. If i take my time and give the sent a chance to settle in the area i do alot better. I think it has alot to do with wind and cold and hot air inversions and conversions but i dont know for sure. I have had dogs treeing a cat for a few hours and they can see it then the cold air inversion hits just before dark and my lesser dogs will start treeing a tree next to the one the cat is in. scent and wind are a crazy unpredictable thing.
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scent and wind are a crazy unpredictable thing.
thats for sure-
they are holding their scent
i dont believe it -- will never believe it-- but sure seen it look that way -
when you are already running something--- and you spook it-- scent changes ---
this throws the dogs off - ie shoot at a rabbit , dogs been driveing it like they was hitched- and they loose it for awhile after you shoot-
oldtimers always told me it was the gunpowder-- BS -- it happens if you just spook him and dont shoot --- and doesnt always happen if you shot 5 times -
when u see something and dogs cant run it---
lot of different reasons--
sometimes ,i cant think of any excuse -- lol
it happens . you will get used to it eventually
the question is ,lol
do you think this ever happened--- and you didnt see it- ??
why can a dog cold trail a track many hours old--- and loose a red hot one in same conditions ?
ive got that one sorta figured out-- i think , maybe,-- -
rarely happens to some dogs , its not their nose, its their brains --
have you ever been looking for something you needed rite then , and cant find it--- and later, its right where you looked- .
same kind of thing with a dog-- he gets excited on a hot track-- and if nose was his eyes , hes almost blind --
when he calms down , he can trail again- - some dogs can make that switch fast and some cant -
i always wondered how a dog could tell direction of a track-- its almost a miracle-= best explanation i ever heard is the wake theory-
scent is making a wake like a jet in the sky---- or ripples behind a beaver on a pond -- you can see which way hes going by the wake -
a dog can smell that -- or see it with his nose - sorta lol
, maybe , you can go back in a few minutes and run that critter you saw- give the wake time.
ever smell something bad in your truck-- or your fridge ?
how long did it take to find it---lol
dogs does that in a split second-
he can smell parts / billion and we cant smell parts / hundred -
he can see the wake -lol
if we had to see thru our nose , we would be blind -
thats for sure-
they are holding their scent
i dont believe it -- will never believe it-- but sure seen it look that way -
when you are already running something--- and you spook it-- scent changes ---
this throws the dogs off - ie shoot at a rabbit , dogs been driveing it like they was hitched- and they loose it for awhile after you shoot-
oldtimers always told me it was the gunpowder-- BS -- it happens if you just spook him and dont shoot --- and doesnt always happen if you shot 5 times -
when u see something and dogs cant run it---
lot of different reasons--
sometimes ,i cant think of any excuse -- lol
it happens . you will get used to it eventually
the question is ,lol
do you think this ever happened--- and you didnt see it- ??
why can a dog cold trail a track many hours old--- and loose a red hot one in same conditions ?
ive got that one sorta figured out-- i think , maybe,-- -
rarely happens to some dogs , its not their nose, its their brains --
have you ever been looking for something you needed rite then , and cant find it--- and later, its right where you looked- .
same kind of thing with a dog-- he gets excited on a hot track-- and if nose was his eyes , hes almost blind --
when he calms down , he can trail again- - some dogs can make that switch fast and some cant -
i always wondered how a dog could tell direction of a track-- its almost a miracle-= best explanation i ever heard is the wake theory-
scent is making a wake like a jet in the sky---- or ripples behind a beaver on a pond -- you can see which way hes going by the wake -
a dog can smell that -- or see it with his nose - sorta lol
, maybe , you can go back in a few minutes and run that critter you saw- give the wake time.
ever smell something bad in your truck-- or your fridge ?
how long did it take to find it---lol
dogs does that in a split second-
he can smell parts / billion and we cant smell parts / hundred -
he can see the wake -lol
if we had to see thru our nose , we would be blind -
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- Bawl Mouth
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A man is not very smart that can,t find his wife 2 jobs.
And any wife should be able to support her man and a pack of hounds.
Never shock your dog off bad game
untill he knows what good game is. - Location: Kansas
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Good post Pete,
Still we don,t know for sure.
I think this happens a lot in the field with hounds & we don,t know it
especially with bobcats.
Dogs go over a lot of fresh tracks & it just don,t soak in to them sometimes.
Some dogs are a lot better start dogs which makes them so valuable
as bobcat dogs.
I have cheated sometimes on these bobcats.
I will drive up to a patch of timber that should have a cat in it & use a caller, just hold it out the window, don,t make any other noise or open the door. If cat is there he will get up from his nap & walk around some.
U won,t see the cat, but he will move hearing the predator call.
Call for about 15 minutes & then walk your dogs & make a circle in the timber.
Dogs will find his track & race is on hopefully.
This works.
I hunted with a guy one time , he was a really good caller.
He would have me let him out of pickup real quiet & he would call from the ditch & I would drive on 1/2 mile or so with the dogs. I would go back in about 15 minutes. A few times he would say, I seen the cat, put dogs here & the race would be on.
Still we don,t know for sure.
I think this happens a lot in the field with hounds & we don,t know it
especially with bobcats.
Dogs go over a lot of fresh tracks & it just don,t soak in to them sometimes.
Some dogs are a lot better start dogs which makes them so valuable
as bobcat dogs.
I have cheated sometimes on these bobcats.
I will drive up to a patch of timber that should have a cat in it & use a caller, just hold it out the window, don,t make any other noise or open the door. If cat is there he will get up from his nap & walk around some.
U won,t see the cat, but he will move hearing the predator call.
Call for about 15 minutes & then walk your dogs & make a circle in the timber.
Dogs will find his track & race is on hopefully.
This works.
I hunted with a guy one time , he was a really good caller.
He would have me let him out of pickup real quiet & he would call from the ditch & I would drive on 1/2 mile or so with the dogs. I would go back in about 15 minutes. A few times he would say, I seen the cat, put dogs here & the race would be on.
This post makes me feel better ---- sorta. I live in north Texas where it never snows and seldom even rains. I try to run bobcats here with a little success. Several times I have seen a bobcat cross the ranch road in front of me and I would haul butt to the house and get my hounds. Normally less than 20 minutes after I see the cat I have the hounds out. I have never once treed or caught a cat that crossed in front of me! I always just thought my hounds were worthless but have seen them tree cats alot of times. Occasionally the hounds can rig a cat and put it up. I have no idea why this happens but it frustrates me every time. I can't help but try it evey time I see one.
I hope somebody reads this and has an answer.
I hope somebody reads this and has an answer.
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I kinda think its a Orafactory "OVERLOAD" its like a bomb of Sent went off and its all over the entire area, Heck maybe a 50 yard Dia. Who knows.
Your Hound makes sound because it Belives its pray is getting away from them. "The Chase" .. if the scent is everywhere around them then its time to keep quite and LOOK for the Critter..
I will waited as long as an Hour on a crossing and have found that it Works !! Less back Track also..
One reason for Back tracking is that the Critter walks to or close to the Road then Runs across and beyond thus making the Back Track Hotter than the forward trail.
Your Hound makes sound because it Belives its pray is getting away from them. "The Chase" .. if the scent is everywhere around them then its time to keep quite and LOOK for the Critter..
I will waited as long as an Hour on a crossing and have found that it Works !! Less back Track also..
One reason for Back tracking is that the Critter walks to or close to the Road then Runs across and beyond thus making the Back Track Hotter than the forward trail.
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We generally chalk up these types of situation to WTF, and either try to figure out this one or go find another.
I've seen it numerous times with dogs where they would rig like crazy, but not be able to start the track once they hit the ground. Other times barely open and then fly out of there on the track like their feet were on fire.
I've had dogs that would rig and start and older track, but not say a peep on a bear I watched cross the road. You would have to take a dog out of the truck and walk them along, before they could lock on to where the bear went.
Best advice for tough tracks is that less is more, until it gets rolling good.
We've had times where we knew the track was old/bad, and the dogs would crank out on that thing like crazy. They'd just keep going, going and going, but never would get the critter jumped. And it was the same critter by the size of the track. They'd bog down in some spots and then run it on rails for others. Other times we'd have smoking hot tracks that they would struggle on, run it like it was half-centry old. I've also had them run a track backwards like they were sight chasing, snag them and flip them around and act like it wasn't even there.
So what does that tell you, Hell if I know. Maybe weird stuff happens, but it it happens all the time you best look for some new dogs.
I've seen it numerous times with dogs where they would rig like crazy, but not be able to start the track once they hit the ground. Other times barely open and then fly out of there on the track like their feet were on fire.
I've had dogs that would rig and start and older track, but not say a peep on a bear I watched cross the road. You would have to take a dog out of the truck and walk them along, before they could lock on to where the bear went.
Best advice for tough tracks is that less is more, until it gets rolling good.
We've had times where we knew the track was old/bad, and the dogs would crank out on that thing like crazy. They'd just keep going, going and going, but never would get the critter jumped. And it was the same critter by the size of the track. They'd bog down in some spots and then run it on rails for others. Other times we'd have smoking hot tracks that they would struggle on, run it like it was half-centry old. I've also had them run a track backwards like they were sight chasing, snag them and flip them around and act like it wasn't even there.
So what does that tell you, Hell if I know. Maybe weird stuff happens, but it it happens all the time you best look for some new dogs.
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I have seen this also while hog hunting, it is crazy when it happens, leaves you scratching your head. While hunting in west Texas on a windy night I was heading back to the camp house and a very large boar was standing in the road, I stopped, he walked off and I turned dogs loose and you would have thought I saw a ghost. Dogs never cought wind and we loaded up and kept going, was the darndest thing ever.
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heres another theory..
few old time fox hunters would watch the barometric pressure. they could tell from a barometer how scent conditions would be.
higher pressure is denser air thats drier and causes scent molecules to rise and dissapate quicker, especially with wind which is prevailant in high pressure.
low pressure has more moisture in the air and scent molecules may stay closer to the ground and dont 'evaporate' as fast.
take an egg.. and a glass water. put egg in the water and it sinks to the bottom.
change the density with salt and egg will float to the top..
thats my theory.. denser the air the faster scent particles float up..
maybe high pressure causes less scent to come off an animal.. and what scent is released goes straight up and away from the ground.
but doesnt make sense when dogs cant acknowledge a track thats minutes old.. its either the atmosphere, the critter or the dogs or some combination.
few old time fox hunters would watch the barometric pressure. they could tell from a barometer how scent conditions would be.
higher pressure is denser air thats drier and causes scent molecules to rise and dissapate quicker, especially with wind which is prevailant in high pressure.
low pressure has more moisture in the air and scent molecules may stay closer to the ground and dont 'evaporate' as fast.
take an egg.. and a glass water. put egg in the water and it sinks to the bottom.
change the density with salt and egg will float to the top..
thats my theory.. denser the air the faster scent particles float up..
maybe high pressure causes less scent to come off an animal.. and what scent is released goes straight up and away from the ground.
but doesnt make sense when dogs cant acknowledge a track thats minutes old.. its either the atmosphere, the critter or the dogs or some combination.
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