From East Texas

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From East Texas

Postby davidbutler20 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:32 pm

Just joined, but been reading posts for couple of years on here. From Nacogdoches, TX. Been chasing coon for few years with a pair of Walkers and also a pair of Blueticks. Also run squirrel dogs. Been lookin at running bobcats for couple of years. I know it aint an easy thing to jump into. Nobody i know of runs bobcats or has any cat hounds around my part of state. Looking for some pups or possibly started dog out of cat hounds. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: From East Texas

Postby david » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:23 am

Welcome.
I hope you have some big areas to run in. If you don’t, it will be tough for you to succeed at cat hunting. Several people from Texas have had success on bobcat using pure foxhounds (Walker, Trigg, July) that have been bred up for gray fox primarily. Perk on here is kind of an expert on that. I don’t know if he sells dogs or pups, but he uses his foxhounds on bobcat and gray fox. He hunts a lot and has good dogs. Irish Jack is an expert on foxhounds as well. I don’t think Jack is a grey fox man, but has a lot of knowledge of what is out there in the foxhound world. Perk or Jack may know of pups.

There are several other good foxhound men on here as well.

I don’t really know of anyone in Texas heavy brush country who consistently catches bobcats unless they have a lot of foxhound blood. The ones I know of have large packs of dogs also.

There may be people very close to you who know a lot about foxhounds and would know which ones were focused on grey fox. You might check the foxhound sites/magazines for that info. I bet there are some in your county.

There also are people watching who make a lot of money selling “cat dogs” to new starting cat hunters that are vulnerable. So be careful about who might contact you now that they know your desire.

Good luck. God bless and protect you.

What kind of dog do you squirrel hunt with?
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Re: From East Texas

Postby david » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:24 am

https://youtu.be/FmQIxq2W9ZQ

Some south Texas dogs. Jr. Jarmillo
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Re: From East Texas

Postby david » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:20 am

Perks Walker foxhounds:
https://vimeo.com/217686866
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Re: From East Texas

Postby davidbutler20 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:03 am

Thanks Babble Mouth.
Yeh I know there are those who watch for people looking for cat dogs. I have found a couple of plott kennels in TX who have had pups go up north for bear and cat dogs, so I may talk to them. A buddy of mine has some of their pups and they have made jam up hog dogs at young ages.
I know it ain't gonna be easy starting from scratch, but still gotta try. Ever since I got into hunting with dogs, this has been on top of my list. And yeh...I have plenty of space to hunt.
And my squirrel dogs...Mountain Curs
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Re: From East Texas

Postby david » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:54 am

davidbutler20 wrote:...
And my squirrel dogs...Mountain Curs


Many bobcats have been caught up north with mountain curs. And many caught with cur/hound crosses. I don’t know of anyone doing it in Texas though.

Good luck and have fun.
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Re: From East Texas

Postby SASS » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:09 pm

davidbutler20 wrote:Thanks Babble Mouth.
Yeh I know there are those who watch for people looking for cat dogs. I have found a couple of plott kennels in TX who have had pups go up north for bear and cat dogs, so I may talk to them. A buddy of mine has some of their pups and they have made jam up hog dogs at young ages.
I know it ain't gonna be easy starting from scratch, but still gotta try. Ever since I got into hunting with dogs, this has been on top of my list. And yeh...I have plenty of space to hunt.
And my squirrel dogs...Mountain Curs


If you already have big enough places to hunt then you are already half way there!

I was and still am kind of in your position and here is the best piece of advice I could give you; hold off on those Plotts unless the guy you are directly buying them from can take you hunting there in Texas and catch cats with them. If not look for Texas cat dogs, which would come from Texas Cat Hunters. They will most likely be Running Walkers or Running Dogs of some kind. If you have the money try to buy one experienced dog and a young started dog or pup to go with your experienced dog. You will be way ahead and closer to catching cats on your own if you do this.

I said Texas cat dogs but if you cannot find any in TX then any successful Southern Cat Hunter (Ark,Miss,Ga,Fla,Ala) would prob work too. But I would still try to find someone in TX first just my opinion.

Heck if you do already have some good spots, invite them up to hunt and you can see the dogs first hand. Regardless good luck bud.
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Re: From East Texas

Postby davidbutler20 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:03 pm

Thanks for the info guys. I did get in touch with a guy from TX on this forum and he said his buddy might be cutting down on some started dogs and said i could come run with him some to see how they do. These guys look like they are from out west or south TX (brush country), but does anyone know any body from the east TX area. Its alot of timber land here that i would have access to with the scattered clear cuts grown over and pine thickets.

And i just realized, i was looking at who the post is by wrong and i called "david" Babble Mouth...so i apologize for that. Didnt pay attention to the (i guess those are bullets) ratings.
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Re: From East Texas

Postby david » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:43 pm

That East Texas/Louisiana country is tough. It takes a special dog. I know a South Texas hunter who also hunts West Louisiana. Some real good South Texas dogs have struggled some in West Louisiana. Some of the south Texas dogs are mixed with a little tree blood. I think his pure bred Walker fox hounds are a little better for him in Louisiana. That thorny thick vine brush goes all the way to the ground in E Texas/W Louisiana. It’s real hard on dogs. Takes a special group of dogs to keep the pressure on in that stuff.

When you are in south Texas, get down to bobcat eye level and look through that brush. A lot of times it does not go all the way to he ground, and you can see through there. You can not do that where you live once those cutovers have about three to five years.

It is awesome that you will get to hunt with those guys. You will learn a ton. Just remember, it’s history that some real good South Texas Dogs have been embarrassed by bobcats from your region.
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Re: From East Texas

Postby Lionandboarhunter » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:32 pm

david wrote:That East Texas/Louisiana country is tough. It takes a special dog. I know a South Texas hunter who also hunts West Louisiana. Some real good South Texas dogs have struggled some in West Louisiana. Some of the south Texas dogs are mixed with a little tree blood. I think his pure bred Walker fox hounds are a little better for him in Louisiana. That thorny thick vine brush goes all the way to the ground in E Texas/W Louisiana. It’s real hard on dogs. Takes a special group of dogs to keep the pressure on in that stuff.

When you are in south Texas, get down to bobcat eye level and look through that brush. A lot of times it does not go all the way to he ground, and you can see through there. You can not do that where you live once those cutovers have about three to five years.

It is awesome that you will get to hunt with those guys. You will learn a ton. Just remember, it’s history that some real good South Texas Dogs have been embarrassed by bobcats from your region.

David I don’t know what part of south Tx your talking about but our white brush and black brush thickets are about as bad as it gets . I’ve seen some dogs from the east come run some of this south Tx brush and pear and they looked liked they hadn’t never run a cat . As thick and bad as it is over there wouldn’t of thought they would have a problem . I’ve run my dogs in east Tx caught every cat I started . 20 to 30 min races ! I know of guys over there having 1 1/2 hour to 2 hour races sound like a lot of mistakes in a race to me to run one that long !


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Re: From East Texas

Postby david » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:22 pm

Lionandboarhunter wrote:David I don’t know what part of south Tx your talking about but our white brush and black brush thickets are about as bad as it gets . I’ve seen some dogs from the east come run some of this south Tx brush and pear and they looked liked they hadn’t never run a cat . As thick and bad as it is over there wouldn’t of thought they would have a problem . I’ve run my dogs in east Tx caught every cat I started . 20 to 30 min races ! I know of guys over there having 1 1/2 hour to 2 hour races sound like a lot of mistakes in a race to me to run one that long !


I have always wondered if there was some where that cat dogs could be trained, and leave there and look good anywhere else they were taken.

That is a huge topic actually, and it is hard to discuss because no one has taken the same dogs and caught cats in every cat habitat type in North America.

As Dewey points out, most people beleive theirs is the worst conditions/habitat.

But to me the proof is in the ease of transition to other difficult habitat/conditions.

It sounds like you may have a good proving ground for any where in the South. And that would be a valuable thing for sure.

Where I have been in TX there were no rock ledges or forests with 200 foot trees, but if you had those two things (and snow) maybe yours would be a good place to train cat dogs for the whole nation.

That’s way beyond me. But it sure would be good to know if it’s true. Some dogs learn Rocks VERY quickly (some don’t). Locating differences would be the big hurdle probably.

What is the closest city to you? (Just to understand your region).
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Re: From East Texas

Postby davidbutler20 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:49 pm

Appreciate all the info fellas. And i understand the whole different terrain situation also. My buddy and i can tree several coons around home before and we usually quit by 10 or 11pm. Once our dogs run a couple of times and get the "stupid" out of them from laying up from late summer and deer season its no big thing to tree 4-6 coons and be back at kennels by 10 pm...but thats at home in sloughs, river bottoms and oak draws through pines. I am pretty sure it would be alot different up in some mountains and good hills. So i assume its same with any animal in different terrain. Thats why i am on here...to get the best info and start i can get hopefully...and maybe find a decent hound also and one day put one of the little fur ball out on a limb.
And yeh, its thick here in cut overs and pine thickets. But i have been out west (Junction, TX) and down south (Del Rio, TX) and its just as thick if not worse...just a different kind of thick. Probably a bit wetter where i am at though. Never fails...we normally have to wade water pretty often to get to some of the coons and hogs we catch. Had to swim some flodded timber and creek this last time home...and for a damn 20lb pig at that. It wasnt on the top of my list for things to do that day, seeing that it was pretty chilly and the water was even worse.
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Re: From East Texas

Postby davidbutler20 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:00 pm

Oh yeh. i know Junction might not be considered west for some, but from where i sit, its west. lol. Its just the farthest west i have been so far, along with Del Rio being the farthest south i've been. Did a kayaking trip on Devils River down there few years ago...now that is some terrain down there.
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Re: From East Texas

Postby david » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:26 am

Kind of funny. Just the size of Texas

I had a good freind read this and text me that there are places in south Texas where my characterization of the type of brush would be correct.

Response:

I am an idiot for trying to talk about Texas.

If you divided Texas into east Texas/ south Texas/ and west Texas each one Has more square miles than Kansas or Idaho. I have only hunted in one place in south Texas. And have a freind in another place in south Texas, and Therefore I am an expert on South Texas. Lol. That is like saying I hunted one place in Oregon and therefore I understand the entire state...
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Re: From East Texas

Postby davidbutler20 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:56 pm

Yeh if start at the Tx & La state line near me on the Sabine river and start driving west, terrain starts changing about every 1.5 to 2 hours as you continue. Pine trees start to thin out then the oaks get smaller and start to thin out, and so forth and so on..... hill country/grass land, arid desert like, rocky.....

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