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1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby Kevin Jackson » Tue May 24, 2016 3:36 am

Anyone have experience with bloodhound crosses? I had one that was 1/8 bloodhound that was a cull. Ran track decent but wouldn't tree. My buddy had one that was 1/8 bloodhound and she was decent when I hunted with her but old. He said she was a great dog when she was young. That's the extent of my experience with bloodhound crosses. Have a guy with a 1/2 redbone 1/2 bloodhound that plans on breeding her to my male redbone. The female looks like a nice looking 80 pound redbone. I've had registered redbones from the start 20 years ago and tried all the other coonhound breeds and a leopard cur and some grade dogs along the way. Haven't owned anything but redbones for years now. Thinking I'll keep one of these 3/4 redbone 1/4 bloodhound pups if the cross happens and see what it does. Anyone have much luck with 1/4 bloodhound crosses? Seems like too much bloodhound but what do I know? Might be a dirty cold nosed cat catching machine.
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby driftwood blue » Tue May 24, 2016 10:28 am

Many years ago, like in the 1960"'s-- a very good friend of mine has a female that was 1/4- -1/4 bluetick and 1/2 walker tree dog.
she was sure enough Ok on track and tree but if a coyote barked close to her she would be in your feet very quick.

from others I seen it appears that a lot depends on what the 1/2 side is it they tree then you have a good chance of getting a dog that can trail and tree BUT-- there were a lot of those Bloodhound crosses made in the last 15 years that were not from good stock and with no regard to hunting--- and many would not tree.

I know of 2 fellows that were involved in those crosses that wanted a big blue female from me that was what I would call a cull---)one that did not work out in the woods).... needless to say they did not get one from me.. later I heard that the fellows plans did not pan out very good as the big game hunters that got them from him could not get those to tree.

Back in the early 80's Al Womack has a pure Bloodhound that would run and tree with his other hounds-- he called her Chelsea..bred her to Jargo.. I knew of one Female that he kept handy that was solid black that would run and tree...

If you find one that has the natural treeing instinct to start with you might be OK but selecting for that trait is a must.
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby david » Tue May 24, 2016 12:25 pm

A boy on my area has one that is half redbone half bloodhound female. Looks like a 65 pound redbone that could win best of show. I don't know how her color/conformation could be any better. She can flat cover some ground when she decides to. She has not been hunted enough so there are some unknowns about her. But I saw her as a youngster and sure wanted to work with her because I liked what I saw. She is silent on track though unless the critter is right there. I have seen her locate and tree her own coon. But I have also seen where I thought she could do better on the tree. Is bawl mouthed on the tree, and does not bark a lot. Handles the best. Might be a little too mindful of her master, as I have seen her come back when I thought she should have kept hunting. But I think that is how he wants her so could be training as much as genetics.

Again, she showed some strong traits early, and I would have loved to have been able to hunt her a few times a week. She never got that.
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby 1bludawg » Tue May 24, 2016 5:26 pm

I owned one back in the 70's .He was Redbone and1/4 bloodhound . A good solid all around hound on coon,cat ,lion and bear.He was big at 80 lbs but was well made and all heart .Open trailing ,cold nosed ,average speed and a sit down tree dog .He couldn't locate on every bobcat though and his size probably got him killed as he fell off a leaning tree while running a cat in bluffy country .He was just a pretty nice hound!
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby Mike Leonard » Tue May 24, 2016 5:44 pm

I have only owned one old Ruff was out of a half bloodhound/treeing walker bitch and his sire was a House's Bawlie bred walker male. He was sort of a liver tick color and about 80 pounds. He was an average track dog nothing to set the world on fire and he would tree but there again pretty ho hum. I have been around others that were some better than Ruff and a lot that were not worth a plug nickel. Probably the best one I saw was actually a full bloodhound a friend in Arizona had. He too was semi silent on track but could really move a track and he treed good but his old deep woof! woof! on the tree didn't carry very far. He was a tuff footed bugger and liked to run a bear.

My general consensus on them is that it is a crap shoot and if you have nothing better to do try it, but if you want real results quick better do something else. If you like the big houndy look that they would put on a hound just get ahold of old Driftwood Blue and get a big hound that is sure to trail and locate and tree hard cuz he won't breed anything else.....JMO
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby dwalton » Wed May 25, 2016 12:22 am

Like all breeds you can get a good dog or not. The first dog I ever owned was from the dog pound. A high tan, her 8 months old , me 14 years she taught me a lot about hound hunting. Looking back probably the best dog I ever owned once she figured out what I was hunting until then we never got a piece of venison off the hill that was not tuff. She caught me a lot of coon, bobcats and a few bear in my high school days. My uncle who was a fox hunter said she was nothing but a Trig that was a great tree dog. I bred her to a full blood hound that was a good bay dog on bear and a fast dog for that time. I got three pups that were all top dogs and good tree dogs. Cap Atwood ended up with one, one went to the stud owner and one stayed with me. The blood hound was not like what you see now but a long leggy, slim build dog that moved easy. It look like the Talbot blood hounds that you see in Montague Stevens book Meet Mister Grizzly. Each to their own if it works for you it is perfect. Dewey
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby JTG » Wed May 25, 2016 1:16 am

Years ago the Huntsville prison had man hunters that had bloodhound in them. I heard they added hound to them because in those days it was mostly wooded land and they added hound to speed them up and would to be more aggressive if they caught them on the ground. Some would be better fox and coon hounds and they would give those away or just because they could not use them all. My friends dad kept a pack of them for years. Some looked like blueticks, but big and others looked like black and tan and a few were all red. He like the big blues so he kept and bred towards them. They were great coon hounds and would tree a gray fox, but would jump any fence. I am not sure if the prison bred them that way but my friends dad would have to tie a short chain and a rebar hook to their collars, so when they jump the fence they would hang there and hopefully break them from jumping, which he never did.
He never sold a hide and those days they were worth something, instead he would trade for BBQ which everyone would enjoy while talking about the hunt. He had them from around 1960 to the early eighties. He had two sons, and neither wanted hounds, so they are gone forever. I still talk to one of the sons to this day.
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby Mike Leonard » Wed May 25, 2016 11:42 am

I was contacted several years ago by the head of all canine tracking units for the Texas State Prison system. He indicated exactly what JTG stated that years before they had added other types of hounds into their bloodhounds to speed them up and make them more aggressive on bay ups and trees. He was looking to add some cold nosed big game blood into some of them on a trial basis to see how it would work. He required that a male hound be sent to the New Boston facility I believe it was and then it would be mated with select bloodhound tracking females on trial. I did not have a male at that time that I could spare so I referred him to another big game hunter in Arizona. I know they spoke and also discussed doing some A.I. from one of the old dogs he had got from me as a pup but I am not sure if they ever did.\

I wasn't too sure about this because even though certain strains of big game hounds are very aggressive on mean animals I am not sure it would transfer over to a pursued human. The meanest hound I ever was around was a full bloodhound, and let me tell you when he snapped he was coming to get you! I was told by an old man that use to raise bloodhounds and bloodhound crosses on the Montana hi-line that most of them would try you when they got old enough and you had to be ready to stop it immediately with force, and then they would come around but if you let them get the voo doo on you it was going to lead to trouble.
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby Kevin Jackson » Wed May 25, 2016 4:04 pm

Breeding anything is a crapshoot. We all like to be proud and claim "we" did something great by making a cross. I'm as guilty as the next guy for owning foolish pride....hmm....might have just named the pup. Foolish Pride....sounds pretty good. Mike, I'm not switching. I've been hunting and breeding my red dogs for 20 years and they work for me. Have a cross planned this fall that I'm excited for. My hounds are 60 - 70 pounds and I like them. The female bloodhound cross is 80 pounds and is a real nice tight built dog. Not starting over, just a sideline project. The cross I had years ago came at me once. He lived through it by the grace of God and we had a new found understanding. That happened in Alzada Mike, I think you're familiar with that country. Like I said his big hole was he flat wouldn't tree. Thanks to all for the input. I'll keep hunting and breeding my red dogs because I like them. This is just a project to satisfy my curiousity. I'd rather it was 7/8 hound 1/8 bloodhound but it is what it is. My male is a solid track dog and sit down every breath tree dog. The female 1/2 bloodhound runs track and trees. Might just work.....might be the fail of the year lol.
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby Mike Leonard » Thu May 26, 2016 3:57 pm

Kevin,

I am very familiar with Alzada, and you are lucky when you can find a tree down there. LOL! I use to cat hunt down pretty close near Capital, and in the Chalk Buttes. Back in those days we never once saw a lion track in there although we did get one up in the Long Pines before the fire. I guess they are fairly common these days.

There was an old fella in Baker who had some real cat dogs and he showed me a lot although I sometimes wonder how much of it I retained. LOL! He ran crossbred hounds and he sure enough caught a lot of cats. I went to my first cat tree at 6 years old and the hound was Buckshot a pure bred redbone. Most everybody up there ran red dogs then and I sort of thought all hounds were red. My Uncle and most of his friends got their dogs out of Minnesota, back then and had them shipped in by rail. there were not a lot of hounds around then and I never saw a Walker hound till I was out of high school. A buddy and I bought some Walkers out of Illinois and we fumbled around and made some decent coon hounds but never could come up with a bobcat hound like that old guy had. we did a lot of running and not much catching! LOL!
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby wiwalkerman » Fri May 27, 2016 12:35 pm

I have a 1/4 blood hound that is all around the easiest keeping dog I have quiet in the kennel, going down the road. He is pretty silent on track until he gets close to the bear, he trees pretty well. Chops on track and tree and isn't very loud. If he rigs it is a hot track. Has good grit, been beat up a time or two. He gets along with other dogs and pups.
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby bluedog4 » Fri May 27, 2016 12:59 pm

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Kevin I raise and trained a majestic hound I called Billy! He had Blood hound blood on both sides of his Pedigree (grand parents) the bad was he didn't start until he was over two years old, he had been to 17 lion trees his first year, and never left my side, barked or showed any interest in game. At two years old his switch turned on and he became a lion dog with well above average brains who could track and tree with the best of them, iron hard feet and a thick double layer coat who was an excellent puppy trainer and a real gentleman around other dogs. Billy passed away at 7.5 years old last September due to a twisted stomach RIP! I really miss that big old red dog.
If you do the cross I might be interested in a pup!
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby Dan Edwards » Fri May 27, 2016 2:53 pm

Mike Leonard wrote:I never saw a Walker hound till I was out of high school. A buddy and I bought some Walkers out of Illinois and we fumbled around and made some decent coon hounds but never could come up with a bobcat hound like that old guy had. we did a lot of running and not much catching! LOL!


Mike do you remember who from or where you got these dogs? I'd love to know where they came from.
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby Mike Leonard » Fri May 27, 2016 4:49 pm

Dan,

My buddy and I bought a female sired by Finley River Joe, and a male sired by Beaver Lake Lightning from John Monroe. We raised 3-4 litters out of this cross and never had what I would call even today a cull pup. We did for some reason get a parrot mouthed pup or two in these litters which we culled. Most of these dogs started trailing and treeing early and most were willing to take a cold trail and work hard on it. They were natural tree dogs with big bawl mouths and pretty easy to break off trash. Unfortunately most of them were more of what I would call a track straddle type trail dogs. They seemed to work well on coon and would cold trail on an older lion track but stayed pretty ground rooted and bobbers would most of the time play games with them and then say goodbye.

The older man I spoke of that developed his own strain of bobcat dogs had started with some high tan dogs out of Oklahoma that he said had a little cur in them as well as running dog. He then got a dog that was suppose to be part Otter Hound which sort of looked like a small haired over bloodhound type. this dog was semi silent on track but could really fly on a cat track and had a lot of sense. When he crossed these dogs he came up with some dogs of about 45 pounds with wavy hair and a flaggy tail, and they just seemed to be born knowing how to run a cat.

Too bad he got old, and sort of gave up breeding them and I was to young and stupid to know how special they were, and they disappeared. He caught a lot of cats, and back then they didn't bring much money but he was a good fur man and took excellent care of all the pelts and I recall going by his place one time when he had an eastern fur buyer come in to inspect and buy fur, and he literally had the front yard of his little place carpeted with nice cat pelts.

He showed me some letters where he and Dale Lee were corresponding in the 60's and Dale was stationed at Fort Huachuca, Arizona and also had a great dog on bobcats and they had talked about meeting some place for sort of a cat challenge hunt but it never happened. I still have the leather collar off old Ike his best dog to this day.
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Re: 1/4 bloodhound crosses?

Postby Kevin Jackson » Fri May 27, 2016 8:13 pm

I spent a year in Baker too. Never cat hunted any of that country, always working summer and fall. I'd drive up to Glendive a couple nights a week after work and coon hunt on the Yellowstone and spend the weekends up there too fishing during the day and coon hunting at night. My buddy is from Broadus and there are a lot of lions in that country and the long pines too. We keep talking about going down there but haven't yet. One of these days. Bluedog, if the cross is made I'll let you know. Thanks to all for your input.
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