Sounds like your terrier trial was a success. I’m glad your young dogs did so well. Those big deer are pretty for sure but I wish there weren’t any pretty deer around here. 3 months to kill a deer is just a little too much to me.
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Thank you Lawdawg, my two jagd’s managed to scratch out a third place in the two dog bay. My older gyp decided she’s done with the one dog bay, which is a shame because she won first place against 29 other dogs about 5 years ago. But if I put her in there with my male, she’s all in like her hair is on fire.
Yeah Lawdawg, we hunted up to the night before opening day. Funny thing is the locals I talked to could care less about the deer, seems like they lease the rights to kill those deer to paying hunters.
Up here my neighbor is all about the big racked bucks, they’ve got the feeders and cameras going on several properties. It’s all in what your into I guess, for some reason I like to torture myself by hunting with dogs.
Yeah Lawdawg, we hunted up to the night before opening day. Funny thing is the locals I talked to could care less about the deer, seems like they lease the rights to kill those deer to paying hunters.
Up here my neighbor is all about the big racked bucks, they’ve got the feeders and cameras going on several properties. It’s all in what your into I guess, for some reason I like to torture myself by hunting with dogs.
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Congrats on the dogs turning on!
Yeah I work way too much. Hopefully next year we won’t be getting taxed as much and I won’t be working so much!
Congrats on the dogs turning on!
Yeah I work way too much. Hopefully next year we won’t be getting taxed as much and I won’t be working so much!
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Hollowpoint, do they bay any other breeds besides the terriers at that terrier trial? I ask because I’m pretty sure they have other breeds that compete at some of the other breed specific functions.
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Lawdawg, they opened it up to Patterdales and jack russels, now they’re pretty much letting people bay anything. Guys were bringing pointers in there, so if you got something you need to test or try out bring it.
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What do you you think about them doing that? I can see pros and cons to it. I would think it would expose the terrier breeds to more people, some that likely wouldn’t have considered them as a viable option otherwise. I can also see terrier people getting upset if they are beat by a different breed. Do they all compete in one class or do they divide them into terrier/non-terrier classes? I would think the styles would be different.
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My personal opinion, I don’t like it. I liked having that patterdale folks because of the similarities and the jrt people too.Any breed outside of the Jagdterrier is put in the “Some other Breed” category. But maybe it’s my own selfishness, the Sunday hog bay used to wrap up around noon (give or take), now it runs into the afternoon hours. That cuts into peoples travel times and what not.
But then again, I’m a nobody with an opinion. Generally I won’t talk about it because I’ve let my big, fat mouth get me into trouble too many times in the past. For me, I went this year to test those two dogs and fellowship with some old friends which I always enjoy. The Saturday events are not a huge thing for me, I tell people who ask, Sunday is the big day everyone comes for. It’s like nascar, we’re all here for the wrecks.
But then again, I’m a nobody with an opinion. Generally I won’t talk about it because I’ve let my big, fat mouth get me into trouble too many times in the past. For me, I went this year to test those two dogs and fellowship with some old friends which I always enjoy. The Saturday events are not a huge thing for me, I tell people who ask, Sunday is the big day everyone comes for. It’s like nascar, we’re all here for the wrecks.
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I get it. I can see your point of view.
Do you think the number of terrier people is growing?
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I don’t know if the numbers are growing, I see new people getting into them and people that've had them getting out of them. They will drive you nuts sometimes and can have not so good of a handle.
I’m teetering on the fence, I told a couple friends, when these are gone, they’re gone, my male has made me crazy the last few years. It’s a personality conflict more than anything. But now he’s hunting and baying how I like, so he’ll be staying.
This heideterrier I have has the size I like, a good nose and she hunts out, but I learned she has no interest in baying. She wants to catch, so I have to figure how I’m going to use her going forward. Life is a bowl of nuts
I’m teetering on the fence, I told a couple friends, when these are gone, they’re gone, my male has made me crazy the last few years. It’s a personality conflict more than anything. But now he’s hunting and baying how I like, so he’ll be staying.
This heideterrier I have has the size I like, a good nose and she hunts out, but I learned she has no interest in baying. She wants to catch, so I have to figure how I’m going to use her going forward. Life is a bowl of nuts
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I can see where it would be frustrating. I have a buddy that has Jagd male. He would drive me nuts. The problem may be that he’s smarter than his owner but man he’s literally the Tasmanian Devil. If he gets loose or out, it’s a dust cyclone until he stops to see what he’s going to get after. All you see is drool, wide eyes, and his head on a swivel. At that point he is stone cold deaf and defiant. They are cool dogs but it seems like they are a little bit all over the place when it comes to baying, catching, or everywhere in between. Now I have never been around the Heide terriers so I don’t know how they are, but I’ve had enough in other breeds that I put a lot of time into only for them to turn out with a different style than I was looking for. That’s a little frustrating too. On one hand your glad they want to work then on the other disappointed because it’s not what you needed. Those are awful nice kennels not to have dogs in them. What would you try next?
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My female handles easy, a bit neurotic but she’s no real trouble, unless you’re a cat or something. My male isn’t as bad as your friends dog, but he has a touch of that, I say he needs to run a mile or two to take a little off the top before he settles in.
He listens now for the most part, he’s got hunt, he’s not Ill with other dogs and when you put him down you better keep an eye on him cuz he’s going to get gone (which is what they’re supposed to do). And I really do like the way he bays, after three years he’s starting to figure out what I want from him. I heard on one of the hound hunt podcasts, a guy said he likes hard head dogs, I was thinking “I don’t”. His reasoning is they make good hunters, well I still don’t like hard heads but he might be right.
As far as other dogs, I’m open to anything from cur to hound or any proven cross. I’ve had coon hounds, tried a bmc years ago, unfortunately she was a cull. I’d consider another plott, I had one in the 90’s from Dan Murphy (?) I think that was his name, he bred Star Mt Plotts. She didn’t make the team either. So I leave it wide open, I’m sure something will come along eventually
The heideterrier is something the Germans came up with for hog hunting. A bigger version of the jagd that won’t go down every hole on a hog hunt. That’s the short of it, my gyp is almost 50lb, looks like an Airedale, good, strong set of teeth, a pretty good nose that’s almost always on the ground and she goes hunting. But this bay pen test did reveal to me she’s not much for baying. I don’t think I’ve heard her bark in the woods. Until she matures she’s a bit of a bay buster unless it’s something she can control. I’m thinking of holding her back and just turning her loose with a catch dog until she figures that part of it out. But I do see her being a running catch dog type.
Man that was a lot.
He listens now for the most part, he’s got hunt, he’s not Ill with other dogs and when you put him down you better keep an eye on him cuz he’s going to get gone (which is what they’re supposed to do). And I really do like the way he bays, after three years he’s starting to figure out what I want from him. I heard on one of the hound hunt podcasts, a guy said he likes hard head dogs, I was thinking “I don’t”. His reasoning is they make good hunters, well I still don’t like hard heads but he might be right.
As far as other dogs, I’m open to anything from cur to hound or any proven cross. I’ve had coon hounds, tried a bmc years ago, unfortunately she was a cull. I’d consider another plott, I had one in the 90’s from Dan Murphy (?) I think that was his name, he bred Star Mt Plotts. She didn’t make the team either. So I leave it wide open, I’m sure something will come along eventually
The heideterrier is something the Germans came up with for hog hunting. A bigger version of the jagd that won’t go down every hole on a hog hunt. That’s the short of it, my gyp is almost 50lb, looks like an Airedale, good, strong set of teeth, a pretty good nose that’s almost always on the ground and she goes hunting. But this bay pen test did reveal to me she’s not much for baying. I don’t think I’ve heard her bark in the woods. Until she matures she’s a bit of a bay buster unless it’s something she can control. I’m thinking of holding her back and just turning her loose with a catch dog until she figures that part of it out. But I do see her being a running catch dog type.
Man that was a lot.
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I like the sound of your gyp. I bet she’ll make a good running catch dog type, or maybe one of the one out type dogs.
As for hard headed, there is hard headed and there is determined. My sisters got the hard headed gene while I got the determined gene. Every great dog I’ve seen over the years was very determined, borderline hard headed. None of them were what I would’ve considered defiant. To me that’s the difference. I love to listen to the experienced dog people, but I have learned some things in my 52 years also. I don’t always agree with them. I’ve been raising the same family of dogs that I started for over 25 years. They aren’t the greatest and probably wouldn’t suit most, but they meet my criteria. I tried black mouths, Catahoulas, full hounds, etc. I hunted with some good ones out of each breed, but I never was able to find a family of dogs that met my standards. All the dogs that I considered the best of what I had hunted with had one thing in common, they were all some variance of hound/cur cross. I lucked into a half and half and man he was a dream. Many people say that F1 crosses are usually good but that it’s next to impossible to carry on any further. I totally disagree with that. Every breed out there was created from one or more breeds being blended to create a dog that fit the task at hand. It comes down to goals, selection, and not being kennel blind. There are some other requirements but those are the biggest in my eyes. I say all this to say, don’t be afraid to try crosses. There are some people on this forum as you know that have families of dogs that they created and are very successful, like Tigger. His dogs are very uniform in size and type. The biggest difference in them is usually the color of the wrapper. They do very well for him. There are more people but that one was first to come to my mind. Your a good dog man. You’ll figure your direction out.
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As for hard headed, there is hard headed and there is determined. My sisters got the hard headed gene while I got the determined gene. Every great dog I’ve seen over the years was very determined, borderline hard headed. None of them were what I would’ve considered defiant. To me that’s the difference. I love to listen to the experienced dog people, but I have learned some things in my 52 years also. I don’t always agree with them. I’ve been raising the same family of dogs that I started for over 25 years. They aren’t the greatest and probably wouldn’t suit most, but they meet my criteria. I tried black mouths, Catahoulas, full hounds, etc. I hunted with some good ones out of each breed, but I never was able to find a family of dogs that met my standards. All the dogs that I considered the best of what I had hunted with had one thing in common, they were all some variance of hound/cur cross. I lucked into a half and half and man he was a dream. Many people say that F1 crosses are usually good but that it’s next to impossible to carry on any further. I totally disagree with that. Every breed out there was created from one or more breeds being blended to create a dog that fit the task at hand. It comes down to goals, selection, and not being kennel blind. There are some other requirements but those are the biggest in my eyes. I say all this to say, don’t be afraid to try crosses. There are some people on this forum as you know that have families of dogs that they created and are very successful, like Tigger. His dogs are very uniform in size and type. The biggest difference in them is usually the color of the wrapper. They do very well for him. There are more people but that one was first to come to my mind. Your a good dog man. You’ll figure your direction out.
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I like a dog to be a little hard headed, but being hard headed or stubborn or whatever you want to call it is a double edged sword. I think hard headed by definition is at least at some level defiant. It is one of the main traits that separates hounds from other breeds. When conditions are bad and they are up against it, it is that too dumb to quit mentality that gets the job done sometimes. I think that is what the guy on the podcast prob likes about it.
A really hard headed dog can not only test your patience as an owner and handler but also your level of commitment as a hunter lol. I have a friend who owned a blue tick that was a great dog and when you looked up hard headed in the dictionary it had this dogs pic. He would bark all day long in the kennel, chew, dig, to me just a nightmare of a dog to own. But when you cut him loose and he got on a track he could trail he was not coming off until treed or bayed PERIOD. You couldn't call him off or out, he was gone. But the young man that owned him was committed and though he had some really long days and nights on the mountain he caught a lot of game with him and so he kept him until he got killed. I did not have that same level of commitment and want to go home when I want to go home hahaha. But there were points in my life where I would have kept him too. I think the people who stay in the game the longest are the ones who are lucky enough to find or make dogs that truly suit them in most ways and therefor keeps it enjoyable for them. Just a thought.
A really hard headed dog can not only test your patience as an owner and handler but also your level of commitment as a hunter lol. I have a friend who owned a blue tick that was a great dog and when you looked up hard headed in the dictionary it had this dogs pic. He would bark all day long in the kennel, chew, dig, to me just a nightmare of a dog to own. But when you cut him loose and he got on a track he could trail he was not coming off until treed or bayed PERIOD. You couldn't call him off or out, he was gone. But the young man that owned him was committed and though he had some really long days and nights on the mountain he caught a lot of game with him and so he kept him until he got killed. I did not have that same level of commitment and want to go home when I want to go home hahaha. But there were points in my life where I would have kept him too. I think the people who stay in the game the longest are the ones who are lucky enough to find or make dogs that truly suit them in most ways and therefor keeps it enjoyable for them. Just a thought.
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I think that’s probably true SASS. I can remember people quitting that hadn’t been in too long just because they got frustrated with not being able to find a dog that suited them. I don’t really think that most of them really knew what they wanted in the first place or had a true understanding of the type of dog that it was going to take to be successful.
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Yep you are right I know many of the same people.
The more I think about it, it is prob not the main reason people stay into it, there are prob a lot of different reasons for different people but one is that we are prob hard headed and too dumb to quit too lol but having dogs that suit you sure does make it more enjoyable.
The more I think about it, it is prob not the main reason people stay into it, there are prob a lot of different reasons for different people but one is that we are prob hard headed and too dumb to quit too lol but having dogs that suit you sure does make it more enjoyable.
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