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David/s Book
David I purchased a copy from JC and feel compelled to tell you I enjoyed reading it. I skipped some information on location bobs & classifying bobcat hunters, but I read a lot more of the other than I normally would. Some of the other I read twice, really enjoyed your sections on Zip Fendrich & Jerry Hatton. David I have on numerous occasions had the hounds take 45 minutes or so to locate bobcats. That is not that uncommon in this area, with the hounds I hunted with. Good to see Zip get some ink. I believe him & Jerry to be true master bobcat hunters. Thanks again for brining McKenzie River Bango to Oregon. Realize a bunch of other blood was included in the hounds I hunted with that showed his name in their lineage, however believe he left his mark. Interesting to read that some of the big name cat hunters used a lot of the same blood as I & several locals here. No disrespect, but when I looked at the picture of Rachel I saw a true looking hound setting there. I did not expect a cur to look like that. And they are now classified as a hound breed and I can see why. Take care & hope to see you again . Al
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All these good reviews of the great info in this book. I would love to take a read. 100% green in the world of bobcats.
Mike Beaudette
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I finished the book recently. I thought it was a great read, a lot of information for a green bobcat guy. Really made me think a little.... his goal of wanting the dog to want confrontation not just the want to trail and oh there's a cat up here I better tree.
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Al, I bought Rachel from David when she was around 2 1/2 just before he went to driving truck. We raised her and her two sisters in an old pheasant pen grown up with 2-3 inch trees. I let three juvenile cats loose in there when they were about 8 weeks old and Rachel was the first to track and tree those cats at 9 weeks of age. She was ahead of the game from the start and it remained that way until she died. I can tell you that she was a total hound. The way she was smart was even houndy in nature. She was however, extreamly smart and she even thought she could talk. She wasn't quite smart enough to know that you couldn't understand her the way you would another human though but she would talk to you in the same way we might talk after a particularly exciting hunt. She even had a daughter that could talk some (I love you, sing happy birthday, etc...). In her daughter, I saw the same trait as what Rachel had and started teaching her to say words when she was little. They say the ability to mimic and remember is a higer form of intelligence. Some of the dogs of that line had that and it's why they could accomplish things that other dogs could not. It was a special batch of dogs that I'm still hunting but I still have not seen another quite as advanced as Rachel. She was really something. I think there were others that could have made it that far in their thinking but I keep around 12 or more dogs and don't put the time into them that is required when they are young to develop to that level. She literally lived with David like one of the family out in the tent on the lake at just the right time in her development and I think that made all of the difference. If you send me your e-mail. I'll send you a bunch of pictures of her.
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Your book walked me down memory lane, trying like heck to remember how all those dogs were bred and the influence they made on an old plott hunter that seen the light. Clayton Archibek had visited Jim Hickey's cattle feed lot back in the early 80's and we talked dogs like always. Clayton told me something I never forgot. He said the reason you don't like walkers is because there are ten times more walkers than any other breed and ten times more culls, one day you will find a strain that will open your eyes and you will quit hunting them plotts....My reply to Clayton, ain't happening! I watched as a young Walker female called Mindy smoked my plotts and treed a bear a canyon ahead of my dogs.....Note to self walking into the tree, why hunt plotts? Could Clayton possibly be right?.... I also remember making the comment (if that dog simply coon dogs that bear, I'm done hunting with her) She died at an early age making one heck of a dog! I had the privilege of owning many dogs from the Banjo Rainbow cross. The offspring made some good bear dogs and the ones I hunted were like my plotts, except with wheels! I remember Bill Paetsch had a dog called Rowdy and when crossed to that line, shined like nothing you ever seen....They just got better every hunt. Mark ended up with Bills dogs and that is how that all got started....Them dogs set the bar pretty high in those days and why some guys just don't settle for second rate hounds....
I too can echo the words of Mr. Al Baldwin. McKenzie River Banjo did leave his mark in the Northwest. Banjo influenced many hard hunters back in the day including an old bear hunter from Coquille who thought enough of Banjo and made an outcross to him many years ago. I asked Sam how that worked out. He said, Banjo throws better offspring then what he represents...I was sitting on the tailgate with Sam listening to the dogs hammer a rank coastal bear down by Tahkenitch lake, anxious to dive in and help the dogs....Sam sitting on the tailgate next to me said, I have two thermos full of coffee....When we pour the last drop and that bear is still on the ground and can take the heat, if he can hold on that long, that's a tough bear, then we will go help them dogs....I said my Kate dog just switched over treed(She was a granddaughter of Banjo and the dam to a dog in the book called Bucko) Sam said, how in the hell can you call that dog treed? I replied, You can always call a coon dog treed in the cast of real bear dogs! Sam said, I'll be damned, I could use a dog like that....The same Bucko dog in the book that is getting lowered from a bobcat tree in some bluffs by Jason....
Bucko was out of my old Kate dog and one heck of a fine natural catch his own bobcat dog right out of the box with no old dogs to show him the way, smooth on taking a running, ducking and dodging bobcat off a gravel road in style....Mark owned Bucko until he turned a year old, I kept him until he was around five and treed piles of bobcats...he was from a cross that I made to Amos (Direct son of Woodcreek Loose Bruce) I remember him running loose and baying elk at an early age.Them dogs all rigged and by the time they were two years old had treed over two hundred coons and switched over naturally to bobcats to a high degree of success. Just compare the blood lines then to the dogs of today....Bucko's great granddaddy was Hurt's bawling Banjo sired by House's Chief, Bucko's sire was a direct son of Woodscreek Loose Bruce direct from Harold Dickerson. That was the male dog I hunted in those days thanks to Mark. I had no idea what I had and just looked at them as game catchers? Those dogs were all coon dog bred too by the way as you stated.Too bad we didn't have the collection system like we do today! Neat to see many dogs and hunters with names we all recognize...
David, thanks for writing the book, I look forward to meeting you again!
Mike
Your book walked me down memory lane, trying like heck to remember how all those dogs were bred and the influence they made on an old plott hunter that seen the light. Clayton Archibek had visited Jim Hickey's cattle feed lot back in the early 80's and we talked dogs like always. Clayton told me something I never forgot. He said the reason you don't like walkers is because there are ten times more walkers than any other breed and ten times more culls, one day you will find a strain that will open your eyes and you will quit hunting them plotts....My reply to Clayton, ain't happening! I watched as a young Walker female called Mindy smoked my plotts and treed a bear a canyon ahead of my dogs.....Note to self walking into the tree, why hunt plotts? Could Clayton possibly be right?.... I also remember making the comment (if that dog simply coon dogs that bear, I'm done hunting with her) She died at an early age making one heck of a dog! I had the privilege of owning many dogs from the Banjo Rainbow cross. The offspring made some good bear dogs and the ones I hunted were like my plotts, except with wheels! I remember Bill Paetsch had a dog called Rowdy and when crossed to that line, shined like nothing you ever seen....They just got better every hunt. Mark ended up with Bills dogs and that is how that all got started....Them dogs set the bar pretty high in those days and why some guys just don't settle for second rate hounds....
I too can echo the words of Mr. Al Baldwin. McKenzie River Banjo did leave his mark in the Northwest. Banjo influenced many hard hunters back in the day including an old bear hunter from Coquille who thought enough of Banjo and made an outcross to him many years ago. I asked Sam how that worked out. He said, Banjo throws better offspring then what he represents...I was sitting on the tailgate with Sam listening to the dogs hammer a rank coastal bear down by Tahkenitch lake, anxious to dive in and help the dogs....Sam sitting on the tailgate next to me said, I have two thermos full of coffee....When we pour the last drop and that bear is still on the ground and can take the heat, if he can hold on that long, that's a tough bear, then we will go help them dogs....I said my Kate dog just switched over treed(She was a granddaughter of Banjo and the dam to a dog in the book called Bucko) Sam said, how in the hell can you call that dog treed? I replied, You can always call a coon dog treed in the cast of real bear dogs! Sam said, I'll be damned, I could use a dog like that....The same Bucko dog in the book that is getting lowered from a bobcat tree in some bluffs by Jason....
Bucko was out of my old Kate dog and one heck of a fine natural catch his own bobcat dog right out of the box with no old dogs to show him the way, smooth on taking a running, ducking and dodging bobcat off a gravel road in style....Mark owned Bucko until he turned a year old, I kept him until he was around five and treed piles of bobcats...he was from a cross that I made to Amos (Direct son of Woodcreek Loose Bruce) I remember him running loose and baying elk at an early age.Them dogs all rigged and by the time they were two years old had treed over two hundred coons and switched over naturally to bobcats to a high degree of success. Just compare the blood lines then to the dogs of today....Bucko's great granddaddy was Hurt's bawling Banjo sired by House's Chief, Bucko's sire was a direct son of Woodscreek Loose Bruce direct from Harold Dickerson. That was the male dog I hunted in those days thanks to Mark. I had no idea what I had and just looked at them as game catchers? Those dogs were all coon dog bred too by the way as you stated.Too bad we didn't have the collection system like we do today! Neat to see many dogs and hunters with names we all recognize...
David, thanks for writing the book, I look forward to meeting you again!
Mike
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Mike, my daughter was just talking about Bucko tonight. He was a yard barker and she remembers yelling "Bucko Shut up" hahahhaha. Elmer and I tried to breed Spot to Buckos sister, Nikki, but it didn't take. I truly wish it would have took. I've looked long and hard for that style of dog and found very few. Thanks to a great friend, I've got an old dog that really reminds me of Nikki and I've got her daughter, as well. I'm hoping the pup turns out.
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Those dogs could catch some cats, but they were BEAR DOGS!
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Nikki was a natural. I sold Kate and Amos because of the ban in 1994, I remember when the ban took affect we had seven days to hunt and those dogs treed three nice tom lions for the tag holders and were sold when I returned home. They would not leave the bears alone and to avoid trouble they were sold. By the time those pups turned two they were complete dogs and the older dogs were not necessary for them to hunt, they did it all like old dogs. Nikki to me was a little sticky on a bobcat track....When she treed, you need not get in a hurry. Many times I treed in some rough country in the Cascades and waited until daylight to walk in. They would be solid for as long as it took to arrive. I thought she was more of what I call a buckle down lion hound...Every cross made something....I don't think of that line as being bobcat select but game catchers, some slick tree artist to boot, that comes from all that coon dog blood....Lol!......I never feed a one department hound and never will for the exception of Copper who will check a bear or coon rig in Oregon, he is pretty good at checking ID..... The bobcat dogs produced in those lines were born bobcat dogs and paved their own way, most that I raised in the litters were bear dogs first....I formed the opinion long ago the dog either has it or not, all I did was drive them to the woods and keep out of the way! If you started bobcat hunting after the ban you have little clue how this era was for game, unrestricted access, dogs, hunting and a way of life!
Nikki was a natural. I sold Kate and Amos because of the ban in 1994, I remember when the ban took affect we had seven days to hunt and those dogs treed three nice tom lions for the tag holders and were sold when I returned home. They would not leave the bears alone and to avoid trouble they were sold. By the time those pups turned two they were complete dogs and the older dogs were not necessary for them to hunt, they did it all like old dogs. Nikki to me was a little sticky on a bobcat track....When she treed, you need not get in a hurry. Many times I treed in some rough country in the Cascades and waited until daylight to walk in. They would be solid for as long as it took to arrive. I thought she was more of what I call a buckle down lion hound...Every cross made something....I don't think of that line as being bobcat select but game catchers, some slick tree artist to boot, that comes from all that coon dog blood....Lol!......I never feed a one department hound and never will for the exception of Copper who will check a bear or coon rig in Oregon, he is pretty good at checking ID..... The bobcat dogs produced in those lines were born bobcat dogs and paved their own way, most that I raised in the litters were bear dogs first....I formed the opinion long ago the dog either has it or not, all I did was drive them to the woods and keep out of the way! If you started bobcat hunting after the ban you have little clue how this era was for game, unrestricted access, dogs, hunting and a way of life!
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David, skinner was not a grandson of banjo. Robin Powell owned skinner/s sire and knows a lot about that side of skinner/s lineage. Robin would you mind sharing your knowledge on this question? I know banjo was way back in the lineage. Al
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David ,do you remember Doug Brooks?I got McKenzie River Hunter from him as a puppy when he quit hunting.Ole Hunter made a good one.I later sold him toDewayne Timmons and the cross that produced Skinner was made.Skinner was a good one.That was/is a good line of hounds.
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Hunter was out of McKenzie River Rusty and Lynx Hollow Sadie,both parents were real good hounds.
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Robin, I do remember Doug real well and have wondered what he is up to. I still remember a puppy he got from me out of the Banjo/Rainbow cross. It was a female and she had a white mark on her back that looked like a bird in flight. I don't remember many pups that left my place at weaning age, but I remember her for some reason.
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David, spoke with Robin today he thinks skinner was a great grand son of Banjo. Has papers on hunter some place if he finds. Al
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