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darn Al don't you know all the great ones are dead ... dewy in my opion the only bears worth shooting are the ones bayed up in the brush ... it takes a better dog and hunter to catch those bad ones // heck any body can shoot a bear in a tree
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Dewey, I total agree with you on people's different opinions. This isn't only in hunting. Different opinions have been around before the invention of white thread. But....you make a comment I've been dewelling on that has my curiosity up. You say "I have dogs that have never been broke from trash, they are just hunting one game. With that being said those same dogs put in with a strange pack will run off game."
"Dogs" that have never been broke from trash. Are you referring to all the dogs in you pack or young started dogs? If your talking about all the dogs in your pack, and I think you are, not broke but only run bobcat. Are you saying this because they have never been introduced to trash? All they know is cat. I just can't quite follow not broke but only run bobcat. Please explain it for me.
Then you say those same dogs mixed in with a different pack will run trash. My question is if your dogs are mixed in with a pack of strait cat dogs. Dogs that won't start or run anything but a bobcat, are your dogs the one that's going to start & run trash? Or... Did you mean if other dogs start trash that yours will join in? Good topic glad you brought it up, it was getting dull on here.
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"Dogs" that have never been broke from trash. Are you referring to all the dogs in you pack or young started dogs? If your talking about all the dogs in your pack, and I think you are, not broke but only run bobcat. Are you saying this because they have never been introduced to trash? All they know is cat. I just can't quite follow not broke but only run bobcat. Please explain it for me.
Then you say those same dogs mixed in with a different pack will run trash. My question is if your dogs are mixed in with a pack of strait cat dogs. Dogs that won't start or run anything but a bobcat, are your dogs the one that's going to start & run trash? Or... Did you mean if other dogs start trash that yours will join in? Good topic glad you brought it up, it was getting dull on here.
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- Bawl Mouth
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So an opinion is either a 'theory' or it could be a 'fact'. Since we are dealing with a creature with its own brain, probably theory. But our experiences have been testing those theories long enough that there is a high probability it is a fact. I agree we become set in our ways and it's good to hear other opinions. Just because that's the way we've always done it doesn't mean there isn't a better way. Granted I think most ways have been tried. Doesn't mean it won't work next time. I think watching any dog work and learn is what this sport is about.
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There always has been and always will be exceptions. Just because u have seen something doesn't make it set in stone. The old saying, there is more than 1 way to skin a cat.
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south Texan I own several that were never broke off trash , to this day never messed with off game , done everything to start with right , and will not run trash and will let you know quick when something else is smelling trash , and wont run trash if somebody elses does ! seen it to many times, and have never shocked , or wore a shock collar
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J.m.o . If I has 2 young dogs , let's say 6 months old. If I took them to the woods and was roading them down the road. One pup takes off burning a deer while the other one stands in the road. Which pup do u think I would be happy with and keep. I would take the natural start dog that just ran it's first piece of game. I wouldn't shock it. I would just sit there for 10 mins and it would come back . After about 3 of those episodes I would correct it lightly. Then when it becomes more of a problem I would hammer down. This works for me. I like game crazy young dogs. In my opinion they should run anything they smell when u first take them to the woods. Jmo
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South Texan: I believe that if a dog is raised and hunted on one game not with other dogs as my are you will have little or no trash problem. Some of my old dogs will check a trash race which is anything but a bobcat. I have dogs here that were introduced to bobcats at a young age[ before they reach their independent age] and have never ran anything but a bobcat. They are young high energy dogs if put in with a dogs that run off game i think they would go. With my training I want a pup to know bobcats before it is old enough to run it's own track. I run 8 or 10 dogs on most races With the young being turned lose as soon as the strike dog get the track off the road no matter how cold the track is. I sold a 18 month old dog that had been only on bobcat I raised to some cat and fox hunters. She did good for them on bobs but would not run a fox until they took her to several trees and jumped them out. My young dogs have a very good come and knows what no is before they are taken into the woods. AS soon as one gets flighty on a smell if it is not a bobcat my old dogs will come to me. I just call the pup and tell it no. I very seldom use electricity on a young dog and never on game until they no what is right. The key to this is that they know what is the right game to run. That being said my dogs are softer then most and won't do well with a lot of negative treatment. It's all in what you want out of a dog, expect from a dog and your opinion as to the way it should be. AS far as shooting bears bayed up in the brush it is a fun way to kill a bear Most all of my latter years of bear hunting a bear was only shoot by a paying client. The dogs I had then would catch as soon as a shot was fired or when they knew I was there. I got tired of the vet bills and losing dogs. I just let them bay until they treed it, today or tomorrow. It was easier on dogs. Each to their own,my ways are just opinions as to what works for me. Dewey
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Here something for you guys to thing about and voice your opinion. I believe dogs are taught to run trash[ maybe by not being taught the basics before taken hunting or how and what they are hunted with]. Or they are bred to run trash. One more thing I don't thinks dogs will run coyotes naturally, they have to be taught or bred for it. Dewey
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I believe a dog is taught to run trash , not so sure abt basics before he goes to the woods,i let hounds teach the pups, but I believe and know if one is hunted with trashy dogs he also will be trashy ! might not be as bad or could be worse , a hound is like children if he has the right bunch teaching him a lot wont do anymore than they will, he is a member of the pack , but most in the running hounds I keep , when they reach a certain age a lot will screw up on trash , and sometimes its coyotes , but mostly coons , being bred to run trash not really sure abt that , my opinion I believe it isn't the breeding its the dog , I have seen trashy dogs in the pen they sleep in , use the bathroom and walk all in it and use the water bucket the same way , looking at this most that's that way are trash in the woods also , running trash and just being a ignorant hound! a lot of running hounds some will run coyotes naturally , some wont have seen a bunch that would , coastal range cat hunter made a comment abt 2 hounds young pups that is , one ran the deer off and the other stayed put , at the time I still like both but the one running the deer I wouldn't part with him he wants to run , the other either wont run a deer or hasn't started running or is just sorry , would keep the deer runner , and watch the other real close , he might have a new home soon , I have been thru a lot of hounds raised bunches , no 2 are alike , a lot are like some people just down right dumb , and be bred right but everything that needed to didn't get together .
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I know that a pup that knows its name,knows what NO means,and stops what its doing when it gets toned before it ever makes it to the woods is rarely ever a trashy dog.
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Dewy, we are on the same page. We are just using a little different terminology in describing training our dogs. I also have a good handle on my pups before they go to the woods. They'll come when called and will load up when told to. I also call my pups off bad tracks when first started without shocking. Some pups might not hardly ever get shocked as he is being trained. Cat is all he knows. But..... you said your dogs had never been trash broke. When the old dogs tell you and me that the pup is messing with something he shouldn't be and we call him off and go on, I call that trash breaking. If it's anything but a cat it's trash and we are telling him no and he comes on. We are teaching him he can't mess with anything but a cat. So....we call that trash breaking here. Also you said your old dogs will tell you if the pup is smelling something besides a cat. So....I would call your old dogs trash broke. They don't want anything to do with whatever the pup is smelling (trash). Thanks for the explanation but I see we are on the same page.
Southern fox, I understand what you and Dewy are talking about now. I also have had dogs that never messed with trash and would come out and tattle on any dog that did. I just naturally called these dogs trash broke. The part about never been broke off trash was throwing me but I understand what ya'll are talking about now. Thanks
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Southern fox, I understand what you and Dewy are talking about now. I also have had dogs that never messed with trash and would come out and tattle on any dog that did. I just naturally called these dogs trash broke. The part about never been broke off trash was throwing me but I understand what ya'll are talking about now. Thanks
Robbie
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X2 Mark on your last post!!
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Robbie: we are on the same page. What I don't like to hear is when people go out to trash break a dog looking for unwanted game putting them on it and shocking. That is what I hear people say that they do to trash break their dogs. Positive training as you said with a voice command or tone will go a long ways with a young dog. Time spent training a young dog goes a long ways in making a good hound. I hope the young guys on here learn from all of our own experiences that are posted. Good hunting I plan to be in Texas in Sept. or Oct. this year. We will look you up. Mark for a guy that's gets side tracked on what cats you are hunting you do well when you are on the right game. Dewey
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Dewey, give me a holler when you get down this way this fall. My number is 830 965 3290
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