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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby houndogger » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:21 pm

david wrote:Hopefully you have gathered that bobcat hunting with dogs is a very difficult and expensive sport. As some have said, an addiction to drugs would probably make a lot more sense. Don't start into this thing unless you are stubborn, persistent, self motivated, competitive, like to be alone and like hunting alone, having money you would like to get rid of, and not good with calculating how much you are actually spending, and would like to separate yourself from everyone who loves you.

If these things are not true of you, let me suggest you use your gifts to build a new house on 100 acres. It will be a lot cheaper by the time you figure in all of your expenses like divorce and lawyers for getting your neglected kids out of prison.

Now that is the truth!
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby fallriverwalker1 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:15 pm

david has been brutily honest with you // if you cant stand the heat don't get into the fire/// truthly if you are still on here talking dogs ten yrs from now you may make it / most don't last three
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby al baldwin » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:34 am

I f you are still seeking advice, get yourself one well bred pup from a bobcat hunter who has a proven line of bobcat dogs. Sounds like you have a reliable dog to start trail & tree coon & run bobcat. You have a decent start, hunt that pup with that coon hound and get him on all the coon & cat you can. If that young dog has it in him, correct track style that & etc. needed to become a bobcat dog & you can keep him in bobcat country, you just might tree your first bobcat. Don/t expect that youngster to tree every bobcat, some cats are a real challenge for a good pact of bobcat dogs. It may take a couple years for any success, bobcat hunting is very challenging, however you & that dog will learn together & you will feel good about any success you have. Just remember you can purchase a pup from the best of cat dogs & it may not become a cat dog, some just don/t make it. I recall a young man who contacted me several years ago determined to be a cat hunter, as Jim told you I thought he would give up in a year or so. Not so, he got a dog I had given to another hunter, because the dog was too tight on track for me. He hunted that dog most every night, caught a few bobcat, fox & a ton of coon. He bred that male to a female someone gave him. From that cross be trained a male pup that turned in to a very nice dog, he & that dog make it much harder to find a bobcat tract in some of my hunting ground. Stay with and good luck. I don/t believe one must be wealthy to enjoy success bobcat hunting. Al
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby twist » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:41 am

Rember not all tree bred dogs can tree and not all running dogs can trail. Its in the (breeding) you get the right one and that dog can catch you a lot of cats. If it takes two dogs to equal ones ability something is wrong! Good luck in your quest. Andy
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby LarryBeggs » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:27 am

All good advice. Just like most things the more effort you put in the more rewarding when your successful. Also the more ethical you are about the way you do things the more rewarding to you and the longer we can all keep doing what we love. Hope you find the right dog and make the time to hunt the dog enough to turn it into something your happy with . Like Al said you don't have to be rich to be successful at this . And I will add you don't have to catch a hundred cats a year to be successful. You only need to enjoy what your doing. I guess I only said all that because it is easy to get discouraged when your learning and not catching cats. Good luck to you, Larry
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby Guest » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:44 am

I'll throw in my 2 cents worth about one thing that hasn't been mentioned.

I remember back when I was in high school I had a few good teachers. That just knew how to explain something to get it across to you. It was easy to learn from them.

Then I had some teachers that didn't have any business teaching. They couldn't teach anybody anything!

Now....I have seen some dog men like this. Some that has hunted all their lives and don't have a clue what is going on out in the woods when they're hunting their dogs. Other dog men might catch on real fast to what their dog might be doing wrong and get it corrected before that little habit becomes a fault with their dog. So....in a nut shell what I'm saying is when your out in the woods hunting that new pup, pay attention to what's going on. You can't just set back and relax and listen to the hound music and not pay attention! Then when a loose is made your scratching your head wondering what happened. You better be able to go in there and help your dogs recover from a loose if they can't figure it out on their own.

I had a red flag go up in one of your opening comments. You said "I have coon hounds and I have tried to run cats with them unsuccessfully just don't run it fast enough." Now it doesn't take a real fast dog to catch a cat. You can break a cat down pretty fast if you can keep steady pressure on him. They are not a long winded animal. So....I thing something else might be happening when your trying to run cats with your coon dogs. Try to figure it out. Help'em all you can. Cat hunting is awful challenging to you and the dogs. Good luck! Hope it all works out for ya! Keep us posted.
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby South Texan » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:44 am

I'll throw in my 2 cents worth about one thing that hasn't been mentioned.

I remember back when I was in high school I had a few good teachers. That just knew how to explain something to get it across to you. It was easy to learn from them.

Then I had some teachers that didn't have any business teaching. They couldn't teach anybody anything!

Now....I have seen some dog men like this. Some that has hunted all their lives and don't have a clue what is going on out in the woods when they're hunting their dogs. Other dog men might catch on real fast to what their dog might be doing wrong and get it corrected before that little habit becomes a fault with their dog. So....in a nut shell what I'm saying is when your out in the woods hunting that new pup, pay attention to what's going on. You can't just set back and relax and listen to the hound music and not pay attention! Then when a loose is made your scratching your head wondering what happened. You better be able to go in there and help your dogs recover from a loose if they can't figure it out on their own.

I had a red flag go up in one of your opening comments. You said "I have coon hounds and I have tried to run cats with them unsuccessfully just don't run it fast enough." Now it doesn't take a real fast dog to catch a cat. You can break a cat down pretty fast if you can keep steady pressure on him. They are not a long winded animal. So....I thing something else might be happening when your trying to run cats with your coon dogs. Try to figure it out. Help'em all you can. Cat hunting is awful challenging to you and the dogs. Good luck! Hope it all works out for ya! Keep us posted.
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby Gary Roberson » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:32 am

Rob, I can't imagine that ALL the teachers at Dilley were not excellent educators....
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby david » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:40 am

Some good advice being given.

As you can see. There is more than one way to skin a cat!
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby eskinner45 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:57 am

So then should i break my bobcat dogs from running coons or not because where I hunt bobcats there's con so it seems like i can't get a cat track started cuz they hit a coon track first unless i have snow.
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby david » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:03 pm

If you want to get serious about bobcat without snow and the cats are in coon country, you will need a start dog for sure that is broke off coon. And if your other dogs are not broke off coon they will leave a cold cat track or a bad loss and switch to hot coon. It depends on how much of that kind of frustration you want, and how badly you want bobcats.

A lot of bobcats have been caught with dogs that would run coon. But a lot of frustration because of switching off.
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby david » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:18 pm

Until you get your dog broke off coon, do your hunting in the day time and especially in the afternoon when most morning coon tracks will have some age on them. Cats sometimes will move in daylight hours when it is fairly rare to hit a hot coon. Watch a moon phase hunting calendar like the garmins have and hunt those daylight hours.
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby david » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:35 pm

If you do hunt in the afternoons and your coon dogs hit a coon, scold all of them. Treat it like off game. Let them know this is not acceptable when we are bobcat hunting in the daylight.
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby david » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:02 pm

South Texan wrote:
I had a red flag go up in one of your opening comments. You said "I have coon hounds and I have tried to run cats with them unsuccessfully just don't run it fast enough." Now it doesn't take a real fast dog to catch a cat. You can break a cat down pretty fast if you can keep steady pressure on him. They are not a long winded animal. So....I thing something else might be happening when your trying to run cats with your coon dogs. Try to figure it out. Help'em all you can. Cat hunting is awful challenging to you and the dogs. Good luck! Hope it all works out for ya! Keep us posted.
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Robbie, I thought I would respond to this because Of my experience with coon dogs in areas where a lot of bobcats absolutely will not climb a tree. I mean would rather die on the ground next to a big beautiful tree that is surrounded by hundreds of trees than to turn around and climb up.

In these situations I have learned that you must have a dog that can out-sprint a bobcat. Otherwise, the cat trots and walks all day long. He puts whatever distance he feels comfortable with between him and the dogs, and keeps it there. There also are dogs that instinctively keep a certain distance from the cat and will not close. This mans experience with his coon dogs is very common in this type of setting.

I have been honored to hunt with some absolutely amazing coon dogs. A lot if people think coon hunting requires little talent. And on a certain level, they are probably correct. But there are other levels that are amazing to behold, and a coon dog operating at these levels will make a good bobcat dog coon hunting look quite foolish.

I have seen coon dogs of these levels. And they will walk and trot a bobcat all day; and I mean dawn till dark. In the cold north country, I don't know that you can break that tall lanky northern tom bobcat down by persistence. If he won't climb, you have to have that one dog who is capable of running him down.
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Re: New to Bobcat Hunting help?

Postby al baldwin » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:30 pm

You have been given good advice from experience hunters who are trying to help you. You ask should I break my dog from running coon? Hopefully, a time will arrive when you will need to break them off coon, if you wish to hunt cat only. My thinking is that young dog needs to see some races end with critters in a tree, at this point sounds like that will not happen if you break them off coon at this time. You will have to decide when that young dog has proven himself and coon has become thing of the past. I suspect you will need to be patient, bobcat hunting takes time & struggles for most poor folks to own a pack of cat dogs. I have found most dogs have been rather easy to break off coon when that time arrives. Good luck & enjoy. Al

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