crossing with running dogs
crossing with running dogs
I see on here and have know where a lot of people rate looking at crossing running dogs with what ever. Here what I have over the years. I have owned 1/2 Trigs and Julys, great bear, fox and lion dogs if that is what you want to do. AS far as bobcat dogs most will not locate a tree. Talking with people that have been crossing for years the first time cross you may one or two that will tree. If you can keep the hole litter you may get what you want in a couple for bobcat. That said there are breeders that have been doing this for years, selecting what works and breeding these dogs to the point of having 1\2 or a little more with the treeing and track stile that they are looking for. Why try to invent the wheel again taking a chance of getting what you are after when someone else has already done it for you. Just a thought Dewey
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Dewey Let me ask you this ,What if the guys that have the line's of dogs that you are talking about didn't try to reinvent the wheel ? I say more power to the guys that are trying.
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People will work with the knowledge from the past or experiment to get what they want. Each to their own depending on what you are up to. We all have just a limited time here use it as you see fit. Good luck Dewey
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I do agree with you . If a guy does his home work he can fast forward 20yrs in this sport. But I take my hat off the one's that are all way looking to better a line
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Well there's always the chance that different ingredients are going to produce different results. If a guy takes a line of running dog that's been doing a lot of what he wants for generations and a line of tree dog the same his results might be quicker or not at all. I've seen some unexpected things happen in breeding dogs their genetics are pretty complex. But as always try something that seems to be working first before trying to replicate or copy it with out really knowing what it is. And remember no matter how they're bred your still breeding individual to individual. If two guys pick a male pup out of one litter and females out of another they won't always end up with similar pups in fact rarely will this happen even if they used the same stud dog on their females.
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Dewey,
Are you saying that if I want to add the proposed benefits of running dog blood to the hounds I have (I.e. Track style, opening at the right time etc...), or say I want to add more "tree locating ability" and decide to breed to a line of dogs that has a history of having what I want, then it would be a better option to to just buy a dog with that breeding already in them? I get that, but what if the dogs I have, have some stuff I like really well and I want to keep that peice? My question is how did the guys who have developed the "right" recipe get the right ingredients to begin with? How did they find the "right" running dog strain and the "right" tree dog? It seems to me, that they probably saw a hole in what they originally had, then decided to add a missing peice until they got it right. Also, if I did want to make a running dog cross of my own, how would I go about finding the right strain to add to my dogs without spending an arm and a leg? In other words, if I don't want to drop $1500-$2200 on a 6 month of pup to get the "finished" product, how do I get the peices to complete the puzzle?
Are you saying that if I want to add the proposed benefits of running dog blood to the hounds I have (I.e. Track style, opening at the right time etc...), or say I want to add more "tree locating ability" and decide to breed to a line of dogs that has a history of having what I want, then it would be a better option to to just buy a dog with that breeding already in them? I get that, but what if the dogs I have, have some stuff I like really well and I want to keep that peice? My question is how did the guys who have developed the "right" recipe get the right ingredients to begin with? How did they find the "right" running dog strain and the "right" tree dog? It seems to me, that they probably saw a hole in what they originally had, then decided to add a missing peice until they got it right. Also, if I did want to make a running dog cross of my own, how would I go about finding the right strain to add to my dogs without spending an arm and a leg? In other words, if I don't want to drop $1500-$2200 on a 6 month of pup to get the "finished" product, how do I get the peices to complete the puzzle?
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I should add that I'm open to other input as well.
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Newby, I would write down everything your looking to add to your pack of dog's first. Then I would do research on what line is producing that in the running dog world and buy a couple pup's and start from there. Don't know till you try it. Or talk to these guys like Dewey and see if he has any up coming litters.
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The guys that have been breeding running dogs with treeing dogs cross have raised hundreds of litters and culled hundreds of dogs. Be very careful who you buy a cross from unless it is for bear or fox you may not get what you want. Most of the really good bobcat bred pups out here are spoken for before they are bred. It is hard to get one from the top hunters they will only breed a dog when they want a pup and some of them will keep the hole litter for themselves or close friends. I have only bred one litter in the last 3 years. Give me a call and let's talk dogs as far as to what you want. If I can help you to see, which way is the best for you to go. I feel there are certain strains that work better than others but that is just my opinion. Dewey
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2500 dollars isn't even a drop in the pond compared to the cost of developing A strain. If you are just crossing two dogs it might sound like a lot but for a real true breeding strain of hounds that price is way higher then $2500. If a guy new a dog had what he wanted and would breed true and the only other way to get it was develop your own strain in most cases you'd be ahead to spend $25,000 on the dog. But money isn't why most guys have hounds or do whatever they think is best with them.
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Well said driftwood blue but it really is far harder than that. You need several traits in a dog to make it a top bobcat dog. One trait will not cut it. You need conformation,which gives you soundness,toughness and ability to move. You need the treeing not barking treed with other dogs but the ability to locate and stay. You need a good nose, style of hunting and moving a track. You need trainability which makes it a lot easier to get along with for just a few. You don't need color not tri, blue ,black, red or what ever. Color adds nothing to catching bobcats but is what most people bred for. You can have what you are willing to settle for in a dog it just takes breeding?????? good luck Dewey
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Some people enjoy rolling on their own wheels, trying to come up with the best dog in the world, If you just want dogs as good as the next guy you can probably buy them.If you want to have better than anybody else has got, you got to breed it.
All of the really great hounds I have ever seen were ( for lack of a better word ) freaks, not that they didn't come from a good line of dogs and produce good offspring but they were better than their parents and offspring. When one is produced it usually can not be bought. I like to raise a litter every year with a goal in mind for what I do but I'm always hoping for that freak.
All of the really great hounds I have ever seen were ( for lack of a better word ) freaks, not that they didn't come from a good line of dogs and produce good offspring but they were better than their parents and offspring. When one is produced it usually can not be bought. I like to raise a litter every year with a goal in mind for what I do but I'm always hoping for that freak.
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Outside of the "freak" crosses, it would be nice to see a 3 or 4 generational window of how exactly these superior cat crosses look. What running dog was picked to start it all along with what coon dog and why them? Were the running dogs out of comp pen dog or from cat only hunting dogs? How many unrelated crosses were made in this process? Is this a linebreeding program or a best to best outcross thing? Has success been cyclical or steady?
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