PRICING A HOUND ?

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PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby 1bludawg » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:23 pm

When i sell a dog i price it according to its ability.I don't consider anything else only what it will do on game .It doesn't matter if I've had the dog for 6 months or 6 years only its game catching ability determines its price .
Some guys believe their time and effort has value so they include the time they've put into the dog when coming up with a price .
My question is ,what do think about this and how would you come up with a price when selling a dog ?
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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby SASS » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:02 pm

I think the exact same way you do, except the only other considerations would be its age and if it was intact or not. For example a dog that was fixed I would value a little less, and with the age if the dog was getting on the older side it would take a little of the value away because less years the new buyer will be able to hunt it.
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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby Rshcwisdom » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:51 pm

I agree with both of the above, another thing I look at is how a dog handles. By that I mean how they are in the kennel and how they handle in the woods. I have been around some dogs that could flat put game in a tree, but I wouldn't own them because of how they handled.
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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby live to hunt » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:52 pm

I consider what it would cost to replace them
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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby SASS » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:48 am

Rshcwisdom wrote:I agree with both of the above, another thing I look at is how a dog handles. By that I mean how they are in the kennel and how they handle in the woods. I have been around some dogs that could flat put game in a tree, but I wouldn't own them because of how they handled.


That definitely makes a difference imo, good point.
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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby driftwood blue » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:27 am

All those things too--
and it depends upon if you want to sell the hound and if someone with deep pockets is really hot to get it!
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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby Wardog » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:13 pm

I agree with the above. Also a dog depreciates pretty quick once it reaches a certain age. A dogs value goes up if it comes from a long line of great hunting dogs.

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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby Clyde Lawson » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:16 am

Great comments & agree mostly.
Large majority of hounds I sell (maybe 3-5 per year) are hounds that were raised here or from pups that I got from cat hunter friends. Any more they will be either Running Walker or Trigg with maybe small percentage of Treeing Walker or Bluetick in their blood lines.

I have about quit selling pups except to cat hunters I know and trust that will provide those same pups a good chance to make cat hounds that have what is required in my hunting area.

Getting to the point: Value has to be based on replacement cost. Another point, require buyer to come and hunt in your area with you so the good, bad or ugly will be shown about a hound for sale.

Finally, a finished cat hound that handles, not ill tempered, great in kennel and dog box, will rig, road and free cast for strikes, will stand pressure of another hound starting off game, plus run to the front and gather their share of pick-ups. WOW! What is a hound like that worth?
Or better question, as mentioned above, have you got a replacement in your pack or can you buy one somewhere?

How many hounds do we all start with that do not work out? Time, money, etc.. we spend there prior to obtaining that one described above is not cheap.

One more note, about those hounds that depreciate with age, I have a female that has just turned 10 in June. I bred and raised her and she has been one of my better cat hounds. Well my wife over heard my phone conversation that I may price her? After I hung up, she informed me that that old girl may have a home for life right here. Now, my argument was that she could not keep up with my younger hounds plus maybe not adding to the pack due to age? Little Bride convinced me last week to be sure and take her, just to get her our of kennel and exercise. WELL--the old gal rigged the first cat, ran to the front in some mighty tough thickets, and picked up her share of losses. And likely would not have had the race I had if she was not involved. Now, not selling or offering to sell(smarter then that), but as a pup trainer what would her value be?

Be checking back to hear comments, and thanks everyone for reading.

Come hunt some time,

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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby SASS » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:14 pm

Hello Mr. Lawson,

You make some great points, and a dog that can do it all like you have described surely would be a valuable animal no doubt.

Clyde Lawson wrote:One more note, about those hounds that depreciate with age, I have a female that has just turned 10 in June. I bred and raised her and she has been one of my better cat hounds. Well my wife over heard my phone conversation that I may price her? After I hung up, she informed me that that old girl may have a home for life right here. Now, my argument was that she could not keep up with my younger hounds plus maybe not adding to the pack due to age? Little Bride convinced me last week to be sure and take her, just to get her our of kennel and exercise. WELL--the old gal rigged the first cat, ran to the front in some mighty tough thickets, and picked up her share of losses. And likely would not have had the race I had if she was not involved. Now, not selling or offering to sell(smarter then that), but as a pup trainer what would her value be?

Come hunt some time,

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In regards to your question above, my answer would be: Not as much as she was worth when she was 4 years old, but none the less still valuable. JMO
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PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby perk » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:02 pm

Clyde, here on the east coast, I'd say her value would be near zero, @ 10 yrs old how many races does she have left? Maybe 2 seasons, next hard race may do her kidneys in. To you her sentimental value may be high, and she may still help you time to time, but a 10 yr olds value to sell would be nothing, imo, not saying the dog is worthless and no good, just not a viable sell. 10 yrs is a lot of hot summer time races here, not many dogs last til 10, and those who do usually have started picking at their food, or you have to mix can food, oil, meat, etc to ensure they are eating good... sure sign of kidneys failing.
Just had a 11 yr old male die, babied him last 12 months of his life to keep getting use out of him bc I liked the old dog, still would strike, trail, run hard. Knowing his kidneys were going what kinda price would he have been worth? ZERO in my honest opinion and he was my dog but to me was priceless.
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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby broncobilly » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:07 pm

Clyde Lawson wrote: Another point, require buyer to come and hunt in your area with you so the good, bad or ugly will be shown about a hound for sale.


That will only show what the dog will do in your area, in the area he is used to hunting in. In my personal opinion, seeing a dog in an area that he is unfamiliar with will give you a better idea of the good bad and ugly. A dog has value to me only if it will put up game where I hunt. Personally, I like to go hunt with a dog before I buy it, but I have gotten to the point where I will not buy a dog with out some kind of trial here. There have been to many times I went and looked at a dog that looked like a world beater on its home turf, I bought the dog and after I brought him home he couldn't catch anything. Some of the dogs did learn to work in this country after about a year or eighteen months, but that sure wasn't what I was looking for when I shelled out my hard earned money.

In an ideal world I would like the seller to bring the dog here and show the dog in the woods here. That way both the buyer and the seller could see how the dog actually worked here. There might be fewer sales that way, but I think when there was a sale there would be more satisfaction on both sides.

not trying to start an argument, just offering a little different perspective.

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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby Clyde Lawson » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:14 pm

perk wrote:Clyde, here on the east coast, I'd say her value would be near zero, @ 10 yrs old how many races does she have left? Maybe 2 seasons, next hard race may do her kidneys in. To you her sentimental value may be high, and she may still help you time to time, but a 10 yr olds value to sell would be nothing, imo, not saying the dog is worthless and no good, just not a viable sell. 10 yrs is a lot of hot summer time races here, not many dogs last til 10, and those who do usually have started picking at their food, or you have to mix can food, oil, meat, etc to ensure they are eating good... sure sign of kidneys failing.
Just had a 11 yr old male die, babied him last 12 months of his life to keep getting use out of him bc I liked the old dog, still would strike, trail, run hard. Knowing his kidneys were going what kinda price would he have been worth? ZERO in my honest opinion and he was my dog but to me was priceless.


Mr. Perk, I agree at value for selling. As stated in above, she will die in my kennels. One, as my bride of 53 years said, "she does not owe me anything".

But, old experienced hounds as the one you mentioned has much value to you as my female does to me.

Good hunting.
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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby Nolte » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:23 am

Bill

I understand your point but that is a lot to ask of a seller depending on the distance from where the dog is. Take this from a guy who has bought or sold exactly zero dogs over a year old or 250 dollars in the last dozen years.

Some guys are swindlers no doubt. Seen a lot if junk peddled. But many times a trial puts all the risk on the seller. So from a buyers point it's a great deal. It's tough for a seller to know exactly how a dog will work out for many reasons. There are just a lot of variables terrain, expectations other dogs in pack, style of hunting etc. It's kinda like asking a guy if his boat he's selling for fishing a 500 acre lake will work on the ocea, or a rocky river or a flooded swamp. It might but he's not going know until you can dump it in your home waters. Heck it might be useless or it might be just the ticket.

I guess what my point is, good dogs aren't cheap if you can find them for sale. Your best bet is one catching already in your area or conditions. An even then buying is always a gamble and you will have to accept some risk.



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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby Tanner Peyton » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:10 am

A dog is only worth what some one is willing to pay for it. Not a red cent more or less.
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Re: PRICING A HOUND ?

Postby 1bludawg » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:51 pm

I think most guys would want to buy a dog that is hunted under the same conditions they hunt.Fewer ,if any problems that way.
Good dogs are pretty easy to sell but the buyer still might want to haggle over price .
I could tell many stories of men who took dogs on trial and then had to battle the owner to take them back .THAT'S NOT RIGHT !!
It doesn't matter why they don't like or want the dog ,give their money back and move on .
REMEMBER ,there are not a lot of top dogs for sale but pack dogs are numerous .Do some homework before traveling to look at a dog and it'll save you time and money

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