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Postby Tanner Peyton » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:44 pm

Hey Dan, how trainable do think these dogs will be? Do you think they'll pick things up quick and even be able to move onto more complex tasks? Or is sit, come, heal gonna be about it? I know you're breeding for intelligence and athleticism I'm just curious as to what that is in a tree dog and your standard of it. That was my biggest complaint with the hound was generally they were frustratingly dumb by my standards
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Postby chilcotin hillbilly » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:53 pm

Tanner Peyton wrote:Hey Dan, how trainable do think these dogs will be? Do you think they'll pick things up quick and even be able to move onto more complex tasks? Or is sit, come, heal gonna be about it? I know you're breeding for intelligence and athleticism I'm just curious as to what that is in a tree dog and your standard of it. That was my biggest complaint with the hound was generally they were frustratingly dumb by my standards


Tanner it must be in the training as my hounds can be trained to do anything you ask a house dog to do. Even have some that fetch. It is the work that you put in that matters.
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Postby Dan McDonough » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:12 pm

barksalot wrote:Dan; We all know the limitations of the information that names on a pedigree provide but still I would find it very interesting to see the background on the sire and dam or as much as you would like to share. Thanks.


Here is Kuby's pedigree:

-----------------------Wick's Camo Jug
------------------Ganus' Hoosier Blue Jug
-----------------------Schulze's Susie
Ganus' Hoosier Pride (Kuby)
-----------------------Wick's Camo Jug
------------------Schulze's Siouxie
-----------------------Schulze's Susie

Jug was around 1/4 Treeing Walker, the Finley River Strain. He goes back to a dog from MO called Finley River Rambler. He had another line of cur in his bloodline that was just a family line of dogs from the Ozarks. His female side cleanly goes straight back to the Nimrod x Cleopatra cross in the ALH breed.
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Postby Dan McDonough » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:56 pm

Vicki is out of Gem x Streak.

Gem is a medium-large, prick-eared BC that not only has a good handle on his job (herding) but is a devious, twisty dog that likes to skip out when his handler is not paying attention and kill cats and whatever else is around.

Streak is just a stag. I was following her progress as she grew up and she was proving herself to be exceptionally fast and keen on fox, coon and the other dogs in the neighborhood. I traded a Leopard male for her and brought her home. I showed her her first coyote, which was road killed and laid a half mile track for her with it. She smoked the track faster than I've ever seen a hound do it. It surprised me that she could fly on any track like that. Over the next season it turned out that she had a pretty decent nose. She jumped and ran 2-4 hour old tracks (coyote) by herself and caught several coyotes by herself before she was 2 years old...in timber country. She wasn't the hardest fighter in the world but she was a complete buzzsaw on small game. She was a great dog, but not surprisingly, she wouldn't tree a lick. I hunted her on small game mostly and she could really smoke a fox. She liked coon a lot, and she would stay at the tree, but I always had to send in a tree dog. I sold her when she was 6 or 7 and she was still blazing fast, though by that time my younger male was starting to be able to beat her. That's my big stud Duce, and he trees like a dang curdog.
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Postby Dan McDonough » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:49 pm

Tanner Peyton wrote:Hey Dan, how trainable do think these dogs will be? Do you think they'll pick things up quick and even be able to move onto more complex tasks? Or is sit, come, heal gonna be about it? I know you're breeding for intelligence and athleticism I'm just curious as to what that is in a tree dog and your standard of it. That was my biggest complaint with the hound was generally they were frustratingly dumb by my standards


They better be smart, or I'm not going to work with them. I'm curious to see what if anything comes through from the BC. The frontal lobe from the BC gets cancled out in this cross and the temporal lobe of the BC gets cancled out in the cross that made Vicki.

They way I've talked about that stuff so far has been pretty simplistic, but there are other things that come into play and I'll be learning more about it as it happens, right along with anyone else that is interested enough to read this thread.

It is the reservation I have in my mind about the way this cross is laid out. That being said, I have several other examples in my head that tell me that this very cross could slay cats in huge numbers, faster than what most good cat hunters are used to. Stay tuned, because I think we're all about to learn something. ;)
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Postby Tanner Peyton » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:12 pm

I agree 100%, with enough time any dog can be taught to do most anything. I guess what I'm getting at is the amount time of it takes to teach certain breeds is drastically more then others, generally speaking. Maybe I have to high of expectations or a lack of experience. But in the same amount of time it took me to teach my bird dog to go to the cooler and get me a bud light, no not a miller go put it back and get me bud light, I'm still working on sit with my hounds. Don't get me wrong I love hounds and there my favorite type of dog, that's just my only complaint with them. Generally there ability to learn is dramatically slower then other breeds I've dealt with. It's there best and worst quality. That's why I'm so intrigued by what dan is trying to do. I've had border collies and taught them to do all kinds of neat things based on there ability to learn.

I have limited experience with running hounds, and no experience with leopard, cur, or feist. So again my expectations might be in realistic for tree hound types. But it would just be nice if I could train dogs to do certain things and it didn't take any more time then it would to teach the same to a lab or border collie.

My final thought is, that you can teach a dog to do anything. But it's his genetics that are going to determine if he's any good at it.
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Postby Irish Jack » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:13 pm

" But in the same amount of time it took me to teach my bird dog to go to the cooler and get me a bud light, no not a miller go put it back and get me bud light"

Video Please..........this is going to be assume .

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Postby al baldwin » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:11 pm

Tanner don/t know where you got your education that lead to the conclusion, all hounds are dumb. I was surprised when Dan advertised these pups as UBD BEFORE THEY WERE EVER PUT TO THE TEST. Dan why not make a short video of the parents running & treeing bobcat in the woods? At least you would put to rest the thinking of those that have said your breeding program is all farce & your dogs are not hunted. Al
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Postby Tanner Peyton » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:19 pm

al baldwin wrote:Tanner don/t know where you got your education that lead to the conclusion, all hounds are dumb.


I never said all hounds are dumb, I said that generally speaking hounds tend to be dumb by my standards. So I guess personal experience is where I got that education. That is if your asking.
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Postby Tanner Peyton » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:27 pm

Irish Jack wrote:" But in the same amount of time it took me to teach my bird dog to go to the cooler and get me a bud light, no not a miller go put it back and get me bud light"

Video Please..........this is going to be assume .

Jack.


Let me thumb through some old phones and see if I have a video some where of some of my old dogs doing that. If not my mom still has one of my old retired bird dogs. I don't have any dogs anymore. If not next time I'm back in Colorado I'll teach him how to do it real quick film it and get in touch with you.
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Postby Dan McDonough » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:17 pm

Tanner- Agreed.

Al- Your either going to have to trust me or stop reading this thread. I'm most certainly not going to invest any of my time taking videos. I can get all sorts of them that may look like they are kicking ass, when they are actually doing a crap job, and vice versa. The ability of a dog comes down to a man's word or a trip to the woods, simples. Besides, the entire purpose of this thread is for interest and education...yours and mine. I don't have anything to prove and I'm not looking to.
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Postby twist » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:47 am

X2 on Al's request.
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Postby macedonia mule man » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:44 am

This topic is kinda like a soap opera, you can miss a few months and it's still the same ole conversation by the same people.
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Postby Dan McDonough » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:45 pm

He's talking about you Al. :D
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Postby pistol » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:56 pm

I just don't see why guys have to give Dan such a hard time. All it seems to be is a bunch of internet tough guys who think they're a bunch of bobcat catching legends to me that have the best dogs and can't ever look outside the box and actually believe there might be somebody else that can catch a bobcat too or try and raise some good cat catching stock. If these internet tough guys we're actually true houndsmen they would be calling Dan and seeing what he had going on and actually going and hunting with him and see what he's about not insist on pictures and videos all the time and bash him on social media. To me If I was a some so called bobcat legend ide jump all over this oppurtuniry and get a pup from him, hunt the shit out of it and in a year give my 2 cents on the matter. If Dan wants to cross a toothless goat with a Tijuana donkey than who cares. Just sit back and listen to what he has going on. I can go catch a bobcat and take some good pictures of some pretty trashy worthless culls treeing. I could do that all day long until somebody actually called me and wanted to come see my dogs in action. I just don't see why every time people post things or dogs for sale as a bobcat dog everybody has to call them out on it. Bobcats are not as hard to catch as guys make it out to be. Don't see what the fuss always has to be about all the time. Just my opinion

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