I am editing your post so that I can agree with it
GCLeps wrote:I’ve had 2 leopards caught in snares both was chain broke. The female has been caught 6 times and the male 2 times. They was both .... ..... ... smart...
Just my thoughts chain broke and brains kept my dogs alive.
Now I agree 100%
Those two dogs are still alive because of a long string of gifted breeders, and very basic training.
If suddenly it was impossible to hunt a dog without it getting into snares, people would be beating a path to your door for a few years.
Because I think that is all the longer it would take for decent bobcat dogs to become a lot easier to find. Because dogs that could overcome thier instinct/drive with REASON will be the only dogs left to breed. And the most remarkable bobcat dogs I have owned were able to do that. I’ve caught cats with some that could not. I’ve caught a lot more with those that could.
One of my all time favorite memories was the first time Rachel was ever in the mountains. She was raised on swamp cat. A couple of my dogs were completely baffled by the new rocky environment, including Rachel’s half sister. The VERY FIRST time Rachel ever hit a rock wall the cat climbed, she didn’t even pause. She shut up, took a hard right and sprinted until she could find a way to get up top, pulling a string of dumb dogs behind her. A tree dog instinct would demand her to stand there at the bottom of that rock cliff and bark. The cat is up! The game has climbed! She overcame that instinct instantly. She already knew those ancient instincts have not always worked out well for bobcat.
And I think Rachel and GCLeps dogs are going to have some common blood somewhere, if I’m not mistaken.
I’m not saying smart dogs never die. They do. And smart people die every day due to unavoidable circumstances. I’m saying: to have an outside chance of surviving snares, it will require a dog that does not fight the snare the way most dogs fight the first time they are restrained.
Training, and genetics.
If you all did not click on this video, it is an image to burn in to your brain.
I’m pretty sure this coyote had no chain training. In some environments, dumb coyotes don’t get to have babies. A lot of generations of that selective breeding and you get this:https://youtu.be/CS9TpDgRMl4
Go to 1:15 One minute, fifteen seconds into the video.
It really is remarkable.
Just judging by that coyote’s attitude and his eyes, I’d be worried if I had to play him in a game of chess for pistol rights.
And to Mark:
Mark, we both know you don’t need anything from me. If I had half your knowledge and experience I would know ten times more than what I know now. I’m not trying to help you and others like you, because I can’t. I’m trying to help those few I can.
I’m not saying all your dogs will survive a snare because they are chain broke. I’m saying if by some chance they survive, it will be because they are chain broke.
Your dogs are combination bred.
And now that I am a grumpy old man and all my filters are failing you all can look at each other and nod knowingly and call the local nursing homes for availability:
Your dogs are combination bred.
for myself, I have trouble with anything that reminds me of a bear dog. Bear dogs have destroyed more good bobcat races than I care to try and count. I never wanted to buy ANYTHING so bad as I wanted to buy people’s bear dogs so that I could make sure they never wrecked another bobcat hunt again. Folks where bobcats climb easily might not be able to relate to this.
Yours might be the only I have ever seen that could excel at bear and also excel at bobcat. They are as effective at treeing those bobcat as anything I have seen. But they still remind me of bear dogs. Not the way I remember them, but your description of their behaviors on here. If I was breeding dogs, I doubt my breeding would work for bear at all.
Maybe none of your dogs could survive a snare. But there are good bobcat dogs that can.
Now you can nod knowingly and make arrangements for the nursing home.
If 100 pups get chain broke through the years because of this, and they all get in snares, and 99 of them die, but one of them lives because it had the genetics and only needed the training, then I will only have to cry for 99. It will be worth the time it took to write all this.