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Actually Willy one of the best all around Dogs that I have every hunted with was a Bluetick. I know what you mean Willy. That was the only one, I am sure there are more but just have not hunted with any. There was a guy in Idaho that has some good ones I hear but I pissed him off before I got to getting a pup to try. One of the best bobcat dogs that has ever hit this neck of the woods was 1\2 black and tan and 1\2 bluetick. Can you believe that? I am not color blind, I just know what works for me. Dewey

dwalton wrote:Any dog can catch a bobcat or most any dog can catch a few. Bobcat are not hard to catch but yet a lot of hunters don't catch many. I have seen really good bobcat dogs that were tree dogs especially years ago when the treeing walkers still had a lot of running dog in them. I even seen a really good bluetick bobcat dog once,[ he was mostly white with a few ticks] but a papered dog. When we talk cat dogs for me that means bobcat not lion, some hunters put them together I don't. There are good dogs in all breeds and even in each breed they have different traits. A pack will bring these traits together. Each dog should be able to catch its own bobcat but can out preform others at striking, treeing, on the jump and most important moving a cold track, which is why I lean toward the running dogs. I think Flip hit it on the head [closed mined ]. Go hunt with different bobcat hunters that are truly bobcat that don't run off game[lion,bear,coon ect] leave your dogs at home. A good bobcat dog can be any breed but traits come with most breeds. For me the running dog brings good conformation, ability to move a cold track,toughness and last, speed on a jump. The down fall is lack of treeing ability. I have the time to hunt harder than most people I hunt 4 to 7 days a week. The last 2 weeks of the season my dogs had 2 days off, I hunted 10 to 16 hours a day. The same dogs every day. I have tried a lot of treeing dogs, I would like to see some that holds up to that and be able to catch 4 or 5 bobcats in a day. A lot of people don,t like running bred dogs and know everything about them, talking with them most have never hunted with any or many of them[ closed minded]. Each to there own ,hunt what works for you. The better and harder hunter you are the better and hard hunting dog you will need. Dewey

I run lion and catch a bobcat once in a while but there is no way my dogs can run with running dogs. I know I dont have the good cat dog that it takes to catch bobcat consistantly.

I grew up coon hunting and then oh several years ago or so I started chasing coyotes. I've chased them with every breed I can think of and every style I can think of. I know nothing about bobcat hunting but I have never seen a running dog that could do the things a coon dog can do and at the same time I have never seen a coon dog that could do the things a running dog could do. I've also ran bear a few times with what I thought were really good bear dogs it seemed and there is no way them dogs could do what our coon dogs do nor could they run with our running dogs. I pretty much hated running dogs when I first started coyote hunting cuz I couldn't find anybody who actually hunted coyotes with them. Most folks sat their fat asses in their truck all day and had about 4 or 5 buddies doing the same thing and they took turns dumping dogs here and there. I hated that and their dogs pretty much looked like shit to me so I hated running dogs. Then I met a fella and he give me a pup and then he started supplying me with dogs pretty much and I started hunting them two at a time day after day after day and my life changed. I was and still am obsessed with chasing them things with running dogs. They are amazing at what they do but they damn sure aint coon dogs in any way nor could they ever be. As of yesterday afternoon I've caught 89 coyotes this winter and there is no way I could have got that done with tree hounds of any breed.

Dan I read your post and can see your point but don't agree with it.in most cases your right but there's lots of good hunters in the world that hunt just as hard as you do and have all different kinds of running dogs.first of all coons are a pretty smelly animal and with my experience there pretty easy to locate and tree.here where I live people tree lots of grey fox and if a dog don't locate and tree he isn't worth keeping. I personally have caught a few coyotes with my dogs in the past but wasn't very happy about it cause we don't have the roads to access a coyote race. I have to say though there's no better sounding race at times.ive seen running dogs that could trail with the best of them and could tree truck loads of coons.and as far as running a track there plenty fast but more importantly very steady track dogs.dont get me wrong there not grey hounds and don't run through open country.i ran a coyote last year for 2 and a half hours and never moved my truck once for the whole race and let me tell u the canyon was on fire it was a dandy race. My dogs caught it on the ground I thought the whole time they were running a fox. When I walked down and seen it was a coyote I felt sick to my stomach I new I had problems cause my dogs really liked it. I hunt my dogs pretty hard and there always tired when I go hunting so I couldn't believe they would run a coyote at all not to mention that good.(Being they road by them all the time)Anyway it just goes to show u there just dogs and anything is possible.i worked them over pretty good and luckely haven't had any problems since I've been hunting my whole life and seen lots of good dogs too but I can honestly say the older I get the more detail I learn from each hunt.just think about it theres lots of different breeds of dogs out there that if ended up in the right hands could be unbelievable dogs

I don't understand at all what you are saying. Are you trying to say that you've seen running dogs that can tree coon like the coon dogs I have grown up with my entire life? I have to assume that's what you meant by saying, ".ive seen running dogs that could trail with the best of them and could tree truck loads of coons."

Also there are a lot of men I know that have came here and tried to tree coon with their curs or hounds that are "bred to tree coon" that would totally disagree with this statement. "first of all coons are a pretty smelly animal and with my experience there pretty easy to locate and tree." I've never found one animal anymore difficult to run or tree than the other as long as I was using dogs that were "bred" for the job or at least were damn good at it for whatever dog gone reason. Sometimes things just line up and nobody can explain it. I do know though that I find it extremely hard to believe that any breed or type of running dog can tree truck loads of coons at least here where I live and trust me I'm not sure but I do believe there are way worse places in this world to attempt to tree a coon.

I will say right now that I shouldn't have even posted in here cuz I know its all silly nonsense for the most part. Very few men in this thread are trying to just tell the truth without taking little passive aggressive cunt shots at the other men in this thread. Running dogs are bred to run game. Tree dogs are bred to tree game. Every now and then we all have or will see the exception to the rule but that doesn't make what you have or will see the rule. I don't respect very many opinions in this thread cuz I believe very few of them are even the true opinion of the poster. I don't even think half of them believe their own damn supposed opinion. We are all grown men. We all know that Lebron James would suck hind tit trying to play for the Hawks (who by the way (beep) lost again tonight and I'm not very happy bout that shit) and NO I am not a basketball fan at all. My point being Lebron is an amazing athlete and from what I can tell and have heard he is a damn good pumpkin pusher but facts of the matter are he cant run a football and he damn sure cant hit a baseball nor play hockey.

One last post before somebody argues with me. Be nice to each other ya silly sumbitches! There aint many of us dumb bastards around that like hunting critters with dogs of any kind. None of us should be upset with each other unless and I do mean "UNLESS" we hunt with each other every day. Then its on cuz we all know our hunting partners are stupid retarded SOBS that just cost us that last catch that we would have made if and only if they didn't (beep) it all up by (Insert all of our typical bullshit excuses here).

Dan you know as well as I do that a true expert at what they are bred and train to do, can not be beat in their own field be coon dog , bear dog, fox dog or lion dog. SO rises the problem with bobcat dogs there is no such breed made yet. Some of us are trying to breed a dog that does a great job on them. Running dogs have their faults as well as coon dogs. I have seen what I call truly bobcat dogs which are outstanding dogs within their breed or usually a cross of running dogs, treeing bred dogs and or cur dogs. I have never seen a perfect dog especially a bobcat dog. Really good ones but not perfect and I hope I never do. It is the journey, the road we travel that makes life worth living. I am sure I stole that from Hemingway or L'amour. Most people hunt bobcats a few catch them. Dewey

Everyone has started saying there is no bobcat breed. Well I am confused because there is no bear breed. There is no mt lion breed. There is no boar breed. Heck there is no coon breed. Is there a squirrel breed. This just sound like someone trying to say I am the inventor of the first and only original bobcat breed.

catdog360 wrote:Everyone has started saying there is no bobcat breed. Well I am confused because there is no bear breed. There is no mt lion breed. There is no boar breed. Heck there is no coon breed. Is there a squirrel breed. This just sound like someone trying to say I am the inventor of the first and only original bobcat breed.

Boy, you hit the round bat on the round ball, solid this time, HOME RUN! There have been hunters breeding for straight bobcat dogs for a long time. I could name a few, but don/t have their permission. Dewey you keep making this statement, and you insults others wisdom. Dewey seeking cats that are in the remote back country and putting up the numbers you say you do, does not mean you are as superior as you say. There are more than one hunter in this area with dogs that could do the same, if they had no obligations other than hunting bobcats & I sure could no longer be considered one of those. Just how difficult do you think it is to learn to read bobcat sign? How many hunters have the time to drive six hours and hunt the days and hours you say you do? If you would stop and think, maybe you would realize a hunter & his hounds, who has to hunt where the cats are not as easy picking, work full time & spend some family time, then catches 15 cat a year, he & his hounds, might be ever bit your equal. I have known several good hunters in my time, but never met a good one who had to blow his own horn the way you do. They did not have to, others knew they were good, with good hounds. Dewey I have been told by hunters who have known you for a long time, more that one has said you have followed the fur market with cat hunting. Some others who have my respect, have stayed the coarse, those are the true hound men in my opinion. These statements are just my opinion & what others have told me! No one says you are not a good hunter, lots, say you are not as great as you think. Al

I'm not trying to start an argument here. And I will admit I have not read this whole thread. But in my opinion we all need to realize we are hunting scent hounds. And we basically have two STYLES maybe 3 styles of scent hounds. We have a running style, a tree style , and some may say that some sight HOUNDS are the 3rd.

A running style dog does have a different style then most tree style hounds. I have never been around very many sight hounds. Just a few hunting coyotes. Now some may say the walker is a great coyote hound, but for me I would say from my experience the wolf hound is the superior coyote dog. But that's my experience.

Some say that the plott is the only real bear dog but there are probably more bear dogs in the woods of other breeds than the plott. Some of the best line of bear dogs I have seen were blueticks. Yet there title says they are coonhounds.
I hunt tree style hounds and running styles. Each has there own way of getting stuff done.

dwalton wrote:Dan you know as well as I do that a true expert at what they are bred and train to do, can not be beat in their own field be coon dog , bear dog, fox dog or lion dog. SO rises the problem with bobcat dogs there is no such breed made yet. Some of us are trying to breed a dog that does a great job on them. Running dogs have their faults as well as coon dogs. I have seen what I call truly bobcat dogs which are outstanding dogs within their breed or usually a cross of running dogs, treeing bred dogs and or cur dogs. I have never seen a perfect dog especially a bobcat dog. Really good ones but not perfect and I hope I never do. It is the journey, the road we travel that makes life worth living. I am sure I stole that from Hemingway or L'amour. Most people hunt bobcats a few catch them. Dewey

Yep I do know that about the experts in their field and that's pretty much all I'm trying to say. I just wish I was a cat hunter so I could add a lil more to the conversation. I am intrigued by it to say the least but I have no way of running them around here so I am stuck with the lowly coyote. If I could run cats I would hunt nothing else but them.

Mr. Dan, it is sure good to have you back contributing with your wisdom and sense of Humor!

Sense of Humor, and the ole adage "If you can't say something Good.....say nothing at all" are two things that would be well to remember when contemplating a Post on here.

It seems that for what ever reasons a member or two look for any excuse to take a shot at another (usually the same person). Now I am sure that there is baggage between these fellows....whose Ox got gored is none of my business...nor do I really give a D--N! But this Garbage has been posted enough times that I and I know of MANY others who are sick of it.

This Thread concerns Running Hounds....comparing their Skills and Weaknesses with other Strains of Hounds, and that is what should be being discussed; not Jibes at someone who you feel has wronged you in the past or who you feel harvests too much Game (albeit Legally), or who you feels is overstating his and his Hounds abilities.

Now that that is off my Chest, "Running Hounds"=Fox Hounds can trace their ancestry in this Country back to the mid 1840s by Registry and to the mid 1600s by Family histories. Treebred Hounds (Bluetick and Black & Tans) only from the early 1900s. Lester Nance's great book on the founding of the "Treeing Walker" Breed tells DEFINITIVELY that he used Running Walker Fox Hounds who just liked a Coon better than a Fox to Found and Establish that Breed in the late 1930s. He also makes reference to the Reg. Fox Hounds from Missouri added to the Treeing Walker Stud Book in the 1950s.

Now I Post this again and refer the reader to my Post two pages back.....different areas require different Skill sets to CONSISTANTLY be SUCCESSFUL on the Hunters Game of Choice.

I must add for Mr. Al that MORE Bobcat are TREED every year by RUNNING Walkers in TWO State on the East Coast than are Treed by TREEBRED Hounds of all breeds in all the other States where it is Legal to hunt Bobcat put together!

Keep that Green Eyed Monster at bay Fellows as this Life is too Short for BS....get out and exercise what ever kind of Hound Trips your Trigger!

"I must add for Mr. Al that MORE Bobcat are TREED every year by RUNNING Walkers in TWO State on the East Coast than are Treed by TREEBRED Hounds of all breeds in all the other States where it is Legal to hunt Bobcat put together!"

Really? I'm a fan of running dogs and running dog crosses but how do you substantiate a statement like that? Your talking about an awful lot of country with an awful lot of good hunters and an awful lot of good dogs.

Kickem all , that's easy those three states have the most liberal hunting seasons and the dog of choice is the running dog. Just like out west the most bobcats treed here are with treeing walkers. Simply they are the most popular dog of choice. I don't know of anyone in Oregon that uses pure running dogs to catch cats here. They are all 1/4 to 5/8 running dog.

It's simply a style of catching. All you are so much like my dad it's unreal. He simply believes you don't use anything but a tree style dog. My dad will cull a dog for cheating and leaving a track to catch back up to the front. And this is the one trait that I see is strong in running style dogs. I have a partner that believes it's wrong to bear hunt with anything other than a plott because that what the plott brother tried making was a bear dog.