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basically what your saying blue floyd is what was told to me by some plott breeders. they keep the price low for breeding ethic reasons. alot of people say look at what they pay for english bulldog pups and other pets 2000 grand . well there still an english bulldog a year later which was all that was expected out of them . we buy hound pups to hunt ,and thats why the price has to be more reasonable ,because of the cull factor,the training ,gas, food ,time ,money it takes before they become cull or a great hound. its a buyers market pay what you want .i personally can find very well bred pups reasonable because of all the friends ive made in the hound world over the years,

kordog wrote:basically what your saying blue floyd is what was told to me by some plott breeders. they keep the price low for breeding ethic reasons. alot of people say look at what they pay for english bulldog pups and other pets 2000 grand . well there still an english bulldog a year later which was all that was expected out of them . we buy hound pups to hunt ,and thats why the price has to be more reasonable ,because of the cull factor,the training ,gas, food ,time ,money it takes before they become cull or a great hound. its a buyers market pay what you want .i personally can find very well bred pups reasonable because of all the friends ive made in the hound world over the years,

We raised English Bulldogs, we bought two females and a male. The male was 2000, first female (whom we got SCREWED on) was 1500, and the second female was 2500. These dogs can not swim, they can not eat dry food (You must soak it or they will eat too fast, choke, and die) They can not breed on their own, they can not give birth on their own. They can not survive in the heat, they can not eat onions. You must clean their face wrinkles, most HATE getting their toe nails cut.

They are one of the smartest breeds of dogs on the planet, anyone who met Mr. Boo will agree.

But when you can have people fist fighting in your back yard over two ugly gremlin puppies, constantly offering more money, when the starting price is already 2000, who wouldn't get some breeding stock?


As for the Plotts, I don't really understand why everyone hates them so much lol. We never sold pups for over 200 a piece, of any of the breeds of HOUND dad had. The only pups we sold for more were the English Bulldogs.

Yet out of the Bluetic crosses dad made, that were all good dogs, few actually made good dogs. Yet these Plotts have full LITTERS of proven dogs. Hmm?

Talk to Bill Kenross and anyone else who owns a pup out of one of the three Bloody Bill Lonesome crosses. EVERY SINGLE PUP OUT OF THOSE THREE LITTERS MADE GREAT BEAR HOUNDS!

Maybe the reason us Plott owners keep the prices down is because we don't have to put a nice pricey tag on them to sell them like those lion hunters with the walkers who can catch 12 foot mountain lions in wind blowing 50 MPH and dust 3 feet deep

A $200 pup that doesn't make the cut usually gets culled, but an $800 pup with a fancy name on it that doesn't make the grade usually gets sold.

did you cull your bulldogs 69er?

In a way, yes, we did. the cheaper female ate a leash with a three-dog snap on it (they thin they are starving 99.9% of the time lol) and she passed away. When we moved to AZ we had one litter and sold it (2 pups is usually the max size of the litter on these little boogers) and decided we weren't giving them the life they deserved as we weren't paying enough attention to them, so we pretty much gave them to our friend. Mr. Boo died and Oops is still alive as far as I know.

Dogs that can't breed or have pups on their own and need the kind of care English Bulldogs need are a love-hate kinda thing. Ya can't help but love their personalities, but they fart worse then any human alive, they snore so bad you wake up thinking Shrek's worse nightmare is in the room, and the vet visits can really stack up.

In the end, if you can deal with all that and you are looking for a family pet, there is no better companion then the English Bulldog... Well, maybe 3 English Bulldogs

Trueblue wrote:A $200 pup that doesn't make the cut usually gets culled, but an $800 pup with a fancy name on it that doesn't make the grade usually gets sold.

Exactly why there are so many people out there selling dogs for that much, IMO. I really think that if more people had the guts to do it, we would have a lot better dogs in the price ranges most people can afford, and more reasonable prices on pups. And a lot fewer people getting burned in the end.

If I had some middle of the road dogs, that weren't superstars, but weren't culls, I could probably do better in the long run in keeping people coming back to me by selling the pups at a lower price, then if I had one REALLY good dog and a bunch of culls. If a guy is breeding culls to culls, and selling for high prices based on the name, he is hoping that one or two of that litter will do GREAT, and get those one or two people to come back and pay that high price again. Then the other dogs from that litter will get resold again because the person that bought them originally will see those $$ signs flashing, and would want to get his money back, but can't get it back from the person he bought the pups from! But if a person buys pups for a lower price, it might be a lot easier to use that bullet, and spend another $200 for a pup out of similar lines. By the time $800 is spent in pups, I think at that price, a person should be able to get a GOOD dog. And most people should also realize that MOST dogs will not be superstarts, and there are a lot more culls than good dogs out there.

Enough of my ramblings.

Later,

Marcial

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As for the Plotts, I don't really understand why everyone hates them so much lol. We never sold pups for over 200 a piece, of any of the breeds of HOUND dad had. The only pups we sold for more were the English Bulldogs. [/quote]

I paid $400 to your dad for the Cabo pup at 6 weeks old.

A breeder worth his or her salt will make proven hounds over and over again. One by seeking out the top stud dog in the country that best represents the type and style of trail hound he or she desires for the game they intend to hunt and cross it with the best female he or she has. These people hunt their dogs and breed for results and consistency as well as cull hard. I don’t see how they could keep their puppy prices as low say 100-200 dollars when they have invested the money to make their program work. Some have gone as far as spending the money to have a curtain male collected as to have him available to breed too in the future. So how much money should a person charge when they have put the time and money into bettering the line of dogs they hunt? Because the way I see it, they are keeping the price as low as they can on the extra pups they have remaining. I am not saying that there aren’t free pups that won’t go on and out do those 500 dollar pups. What I am saying is if you find that breeder that is breeding for the purpose of bettering his or her line your chances of ending up with a product that will out perform the average hound pup is way better when given the chance to be what they were bred to do. No pup, free or high dollar will ever meet their true potential if never given the opportunity and no one can guarantee a pup to do anything if you’re not willing to take the time in making it happen. If you want it bad enough you will find a way to make it happen. I am of the belief if you pay a bit more money for some thing you will more than likely spend the time with it because you see a 500 dollar bill running around.

sourdough

I think if you are tring to save money in this hound hunting game. Id get out before you start cause buying pups is cheap compared to the rest of this sport. lol

Montana Hounder wrote:I think if you are tring to save money in this hound hunting game. Id get out before you start cause buying pups is cheap compared to the rest of this sport. lol

Yeah, gas alone is a killer. Then dog food, tires, trucks and trips to the mechanic, vacines and sometimes vet visits, sanity... Holy cow! Why do we do this? Lol.

Lets play a game, list everything in the hunting hounds world that costs money lol

Just food for thought!If I viewed these as $500 bill running around and that's what stands in the way of being honest with myself[if the're a cull or not]than I better never let my lead strike dog outa the box,taht would cost me $5-10,000 if I had to go out and replace her tomorrow.I know you guys know what I'm saying!
Tim

seems the more of an investment it is the more of an effort you'll put towards it, that said, each of my dogs is running around with a $500 around their necks, garmin, johnson, tritronics. Dog better cost at least as much as the jewelry

Sourdough said it beautifully!!!!amen

Big Mike wrote:Just like race horses Lines are xtremely imortant when it comes to hounds. Like Benny said getting a pup with the proven genetics for the style you hunt is extremely important.

Take me for EX. Ive spent alot of time and money trying to get hounds that can cold trail lions in the desert. Cant even count the amount of hounds i went through. But it wasnt until i got a hound from the proven lines that i started to see the results i was looking for. As Luck would have it I didnt have to buy into the lines. But if I was going to start over again i spend $500 to get a pup from proven lines in a heart beat.

Cost isnt as important as the lines. Compared to other breeds $400-500 for a hound pup is cheap. My girlfriend just bought a R Ridgeback for a $1000 for a pup, and that dog will just be yard art!

But thats exactly it, a pet just has to look like the breed you're told it is. They all pass.

$500 for a pup that comes from generation after generation of a line that gets done what you want to see get done is reasonable for sure. Your chances are immediately good you are getting what you want. I will pay for that all day long.
Unproven crosses are way over priced from what I see on these sites.
IMO as a breeder (which I am not) I would rather see pups go to homes that you know will hunt them to their best ability and most importantly, are competent people who can provide knowledgeable, valuable feedback to determine if the breeding is in fact working or not. I would rather see a pup in this category go to someone like this than some shmuck who I was able to get an extra 2-300 dollars from and at the end of the day wonder if he failed the dog or if the cross failed him. In the long run this would benefit me as a breeder more so than a couple extra bennys. I would think that assuming the breeder gets a good pup isnt enough to know if the cross is working (or has a high %turn out)

the best thing to do is forget about the price look at what you want do your home work if what a person is asking is to much for your wallet ,i guess your a plott man now ,good luck with your 100 dolllar dog . www. fallriverwalker.com