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cat and bear wrote:Fellows, your heart is in the right place. To sum it up, you need organization, first of all. Then you need votes, membership, and then money, for the polititions or anyone to take notice. I and alot of other folks fought the fight to keep our WI bear season, as about 12 years ago, they tried to get it on a state vote, We had buss loads, women, children, trappers, all sportsman at the anti meetings, also in madison. My grandfather donated a piece of land, we got a lot of donations or material at cost, well, septic, logs etc. The end result, a lot of hard work, we built and raffled the cabin, for about 280k. We went from 1100 members, to 3400. Now we had votes, and money. We got rid of a few dead beats on the bear hunters board, and put a write in president to take the challenge of the bear hunters future. Everyone took notice, including the anti's, their lies, and tricks, miss perceptions, was all put down, one at a time. With great leadership, family's spending their time, selling tickets, getting memberships, etc. We all done our part in one form or another. We have a great bear season, and have actually gained area to hunt, and length of our harvest season. It can be done, and if it isnt for bear, you guys better pull together, as devin said, your cats will be next. Good luck.

That's pretty impressive....And, inspiring...Well done

Ron, Great job. But in this deal here it will take 5 times that to get it back. Once they have taken it away it will be so hard to get it back. Plus since they have taken it away the harvest numbers have steadily went up, they are going to sit back and say "You are already getting them killed, why do you need Bait or hounds?" A hard deal to sell to the public.

Heck I can think of the 99 reasons you guys cant get it back, you guys need to think of the reasons you can. I will gladly share or put you in touch with the right people that is in the bear hunters ass. now. That might give good advice or help. Since the cabin deal, hunting my dogs two times that year, endless hrs, meeting, working on the cabin, etc. Kind of stepped back when it was over, and let some of the others stay involved, I will help anyway i can, if you guys get organized, and dont look back. LOL

MOST SERIOUS BEAR HUNTERS HAVE PROBABLY LEFT COLORADO ALREADY. I DONT KNOW OF HARDLY ANYBODY EVEN INTERESTED. I BUY THE NEW MEXICO TAG. I WOULDNT EVEN BUY AN IN STATE LISCENSE FOR ANYTHING IF I COULD AFFORD TO ELK HUNT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE DOW HERE IS PROBABLY THE MOST PROFITABLE IN THE NATION WITH THEIR OVER THE COUNTER ELK TAGS. NOTHING BUT A MONEY RACKET ALL THE WAY AROUND, AND HUNTERS ARE OUTNUMBERED BY THE HIPPYS. I AM IDAHO BOUND IF I CAN SALE MY DAMN HOUSE TO SOME RICH TEXAN OR CALIFORNIAN!

Well I guess, I'm very lucky to live in a strong hunting state

cat and bear, you are very lucky to be in wisconsin when it comes to bear hunting. i know people that drive from the east coast and the west coast just to train there. makes me with envy.

DEVIN u kno the fight the UFH start and continues to battle its no fun at all but a good voice with members does help...i remember you sitting in on some meetings....clubs are a pain in the azz but suport does help... if you need a hand drop me a line...i would like to see hound hunting for bear legal in colorado so residents there would hunt there like they do here and vice eversa

oswald wrote:cat and bear, you are very lucky to be in wisconsin when it comes to bear hunting. i know people that drive from the east coast and the west coast just to train there. makes me with envy.

Yep, I agree, passed up some business opportunities to live here and enjoy my hunting. I have several friends which come from out of state and play during our training season. All we ask is keep a clean image of our sport while here. And get permission around private lands. And be respectful to your fellow hunters. It wasnt a fight to keep our sport here, it was a war. Help us keep our sport clean, and respected.

Here is a quesiton for Devin. I am not attacking you, just trying to clarify. Obviously you are in a little different situation, but you keep saying you guys. Does that mean you are seperating yourself from other houndsmen? What do you mean when you say you guys?

Brady, I sure wasn't referring to you when I made my earlier post. We just need more people to attend and voice their opinion. That is all I was saying. I don't think that it is totally gone, it was beeing kicked around a couple of years ago. It is already partially legal here, we just have to get into the right persons ear and show them statistically why it would be a positive change.

IMO, if Apger and Logan were divorced permantly from the DOW, then we could get it done. They are thee cancer of this whole deal.

Outlaw Bear hunting altogether? In a pigs eye! Why Van, Devin and Clayton can only get to about 1/2 of the problem calls as it is. What would the DOW do, hire 3 times as many depredation control guys than they presently have? Where would the money come from for that? What would the general public say when the bear population doubles in 2-3 yrs and the bears take over suburbia and the swingsets? Colorado has far too many bears in the vast majority of units already. Go ahead and shoot an elk on the north end of unit 75 here and leave it over night to pack out in the am and see how much meat is left when you get back. Around here a rifle going off, is the ring of the dinner bell for the bears.


If these damn tree hugers want to drive down the road and watch bears, then they should go to Yellowstone. Why in the world should the rest of the state suffer because of a few who are too lazy or too elite to drive to Yellowstone. Afterall, is not Yellowstone the leftist's very own fish aquarium?

Same goes for wolves...

reed wrote:Here is a quesiton for Devin. I am not attacking you, just trying to clarify. Obviously you are in a little different situation, but you keep saying you guys. Does that mean you are seperating yourself from other houndsmen? What do you mean when you say you guys?

No I concider my self a houndsman first and formost, that is why I am at these meetings. I am hoping to help the houndsman get back their season.
My situation is different, I do get to run hounds on bear and when I say "you guys" I mean the guys that don't get to run bear with hounds. If I was seperating myself from the houndsman I would be sitting home drinking whiskey and not attending these meetings. It is not required that I go to these meetings and I am doing it on my own time to help houndsman get what is rightfully theirs (ours).

liontracker wrote:IMO, if Apger and Logan were divorced permantly from the DOW, then we could get it done. They are thee cancer of this whole deal.

This is the reason we do not have a bear season for hounds in Colorado. This is the attitude that got it taken away in the first place. We got it taken away becuase we didn't show up and we didn't vote to keep it. And we want to just sit back and blame the DOW. It is no ones fault but our own. WE DIDN'T SHOW UP AND ARE STILL NOT!

WE did show up and the vote was 49% in favor and 51% against. The real problem was that this anti spring bear/bear w/hounds/all trapping issue was a hidden 3 liner at the end of a bill that was seeking money for schools and education. The vast majority of voters had no idea it was wrote this way because they did not take the time to read all the way through it, as usual. And that is the real reason. Sneaky bastards.

AS for placing blame on the DOW, I believe in giving credit, where credit is due. Both of these "men" stood in front of me and 40 other houndsmen at the meeting in Alamosa and said exactly that. They do not think that lions and bears should be hunted at all, period, in the state of CO. Both are the proverbial "fox in the hen house". And the DOW is certainly to blame for letting the treehuggers get their foot in the door, as far as wildlife management issues, and weaving this tangled web. That group contributes next to nothing in dollars to the wildlife of CO, it is the hunting liscenses and the Pitman-Robertson money the fills the coffers of the DOW, who do so wantonly squander it and our hunting rights, in a effort to appease the left and the antis.

Wildlife management, at the very root of it's core, entails harvest to keep numbers in check. That is of course, unless you reintroduce wolves and allow rampant expansion of the bear/coyote/lion populatuion. But then again, it has become painfully obvious that this has been "The Plan" all along....

I will say it agian

Mr.pacojack wrote:This is the reason we do not have a bear season for hounds in Colorado. This is the attitude that got it taken away in the first place. We got it taken away becuase we didn't show up and we didn't vote to keep it. And we want to just sit back and blame the DOW. It is no ones fault but our own. WE DIDN'T SHOW UP AND ARE STILL NOT!

You (we) need to do as Cat and Bear said and do more educating of the voters and the public. This is a best time to do it, with all the bear/human incounters and bear in town problems. The DOW does not have the fianal say in this matter it is the public and getting it on the ballets to make it law.
Whatever your deal is with the DOW, you need to let it go a focus your works on something else, other wise you are just pissing in the wind.

I am starting to get sick of this already. It is like the proverbial chicken or the egg dilemna, an endless cycle. The CODOW is a serious problem. How many meetings have you been to, where the DOW rep at that meeting stood up and told the anti's that the wildlife of CO needs to be hunted and that hunters are the ONLY reason there is any wildlife here at all? Absolutely none that I have been too. I see exactly the opposite at those meetings. I see the DOW gathering up what ever info they can to support reduction of hunter numbers across the board. I think we hunters should focus our works on cutting out the cancer in the DOW. AS for educating the public, the DOW is the one with all the money. They should pay the ticket. It's OUR money anyway. Why should we pay twice? Does anybody have any idea of how many DOW employees hired in the past few years are anti hunters? Check it out, you will s.h.i.t! It's just like I told that DOW employee at the Bayfield meeting when he said "I hope they do outlaw lion hunting. It will make my job alot easier." I told him, in front of a reporter and it never went to print by the way, "You POS's need to remember who writes your check. It is the hunters, without us you will be flipping burgers at McDonalds. But then again, maybe Carrie Underwood and her contingent have a secret plan to bankroll the CODOW. But I highly doubt it, greed and the love of money would preclude that.

On second thought, ( concerning pissing up a rope w/ the DOW issue) if there is one thing I have learned from walking the face of this earth for 51 yrs is this, the bigger they are... the harder they fall. No person, no company and no Gov't agency is immune to it. I will flatly state, right here and now, that I personally believe, from what I and others that were in the fight experienced, that the top movers and shakers in the CODOW have a hidden agenda to outlaw hunting in CO...starting with lion/bear/bobcat. What else would explain there complacency and their desperate need to seek approval and appeasement of anti's? Why do they not whole heartedly support hunters? The wildlife of the state of CO does indeed belong to it's citizens...by statute. However I believe that if a person does not buy a hunting liscense then they should not have any say so in how that wildlife is harvested or how many. That should be between the DOW and the paying hunters. Like I said, Yellowstone is not that far of a drive...

liontracker wrote:I am starting to get sick of this already. It is like the proverbial chicken or the egg dilemna, an endless cycle. The CODOW is a serious problem. How many meetings have you been to, where the DOW rep at that meeting stood up and told the anti's that the wildlife of CO needs to be hunted and that hunters are the ONLY reason there is any wildlife here at all? Absolutely none that I have been too. I see exactly the opposite at those meetings. I see the DOW gathering up what ever info they can to support reduction of hunter numbers across the board. I think we hunters should focus our works on cutting out the cancer in the DOW. AS for educating the public, the DOW is the one with all the money. They should pay the ticket. It's OUR money anyway. Why should we pay twice? Does anybody have any idea of how many DOW employees hired in the past few years are anti hunters? Check it out, you will s.h.i.t! It's just like I told that DOW employee at the Bayfield meeting when he said "I hope they do outlaw lion hunting. It will make my job alot easier." I told him, in front of a reporter and it never went to print by the way, "You POS's need to remember who writes your check. It is the hunters, without us you will be flipping burgers at McDonalds. But then again, maybe Carrie Underwood and her contingent have a secret plan to bankroll the CODOW. But I highly doubt it, greed and the love of money would preclude that.

The only cancer I see is the one that is eating you up and keeping you from the truth and a path that will help the houndsman of Colorado