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Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:55 pm
by snakerivercatman
Chance and Paco,
just keep giving tessa more rope, you know what'll happen in the end. Tessa, nobody gives a hootin hell about your input. YOU HAVE NEVER CAUGHT A LION ON YOUR OWN IN YOUR LIFE (AT LEAST THAT YOU CAN PROVE) You have always been with someone else in their truck, using their tyllemetry, using their gas. We all know that "sweetie" killed a huge female under your direction last year, and you made allowances for the kill. Don't be bashing anyone on this site as you have showed us all that you are just a big untalented hypocrit, that can't support yourself, let alone your poor dogs that can't even catch a cold or even keep up with the dogs that actually make it to the tree. If you're such an authority in the area, why don't you post a picture of some captures? Oh, and one more thing, the next time you try and fool us all into believing that you have caught all of these lions, try taking the pictures of the same two lions from different angles, that way we all might beleive that you have been to the tree more than just a few times.

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:56 pm
by Big Horn Posse
alot of guys that have worked on lion studies will disagree with that. There is such a thing as resident lions and transients. A resident lion has a "Resdiency" the boundries of his residency may change a bit due to season and game movement. These resident lions may have a residency of a 50 square miles to over 150 square miles. A transient that doesn't have a residency will travel. Resident cats can be pushed out by other toms and often residencies may overlap a bit. Resident cats will travel outside their areas to find females in nearby areas. A female will establish a residency and stay there. A females residency is much smaller than a toms and she will usually set up her home range in an area that has a good food source and protection to raise her kittens. Canyon country is ideal for this. A resident lion that has had established residency and dissapears well guys it is probably because he was harvested not that he left just to leave. Some other tom will eventually move in and will establish residency in the area the dominate tom was in. But like I said before the more toms harvested in an are the less likely these cats will have time to set up residency. You guys that are interested in really learning about lions in your areas and not just dumping on tracks can see this by studying the cats in an area you know they are passing. Like I said hunt the same area a few times a week and checking and if you cant do that put up game cameras and you will see exactly what is going on.

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:57 pm
by chancemarquette
and that all the proof i need rite there, the two guys that just posted on here see more cats in one year then those biologists have ever seen in their whole life hows that for a study

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:59 pm
by chancemarquette
put up game cameras hahahah how about put up GAME

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:04 am
by lsorenso
Ok, so let me understand this, if a tom is "harvested" he will have less time to set up a residency, right?? Sorry for the sarcasm, but really if you want to know what is going on, just go huntin, spend alot less time on here reading, cause most of it is pure bullshit. Trust me you will gain one hell of alot more knowledge in one day if you just go hunt, than you can get in a lifetime reading the crap on here.

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:15 am
by Big Horn Posse
thats not what I said. I said the more tom harvested in a given area the less time they have to set up a residency. If nearly every young tom that is trees is harvested in an area how could they?

As far as you Snakeriver I need not prove myself to you or anyone else. I dont know you in person nor do I ever want to. You have your information wrong and I am not going to get into it with you, Chance or Devin on this board. I have just as much right to post information and my opinion on this board as much as anyone else, but I do not use this board as a bashing place to belittle others. If you do not agree with me and my opinions that is fine, but grow up and leave the playground bullying out of it. Time to grow up and be men guys.

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:36 am
by crusher
how are you treeing cats over in the big horn area. we had some farmers ask us to come over and try and help take care of their lion problem in kaycee. then a buddy of mine got a pm from you asking where he was from and you told him that there is no cats in that area. so i am confused right now are you just treeing all the cats in that country????? or trying to steer us out of YOUR side of the mtn..

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:44 am
by snakerivercatman
crusher wrote:how are you treeing cats over in the big horn area. we had some farmers ask us to come over and try and help take care of their lion problem in kaycee. then a buddy of mine got a pm from you asking where he was from and you told him that there is no cats in that area. so i am confused right now are you just treeing all the cats in that country????? or trying to steer us out of YOUR side of the mtn..

Crusher, SHE'S NOT TREEING ANYTHING.... There are lion over there. Hell, she was complaining this summer about the lions being gone, and I went over there and caught one and chased another in one day. A guy just need to know where to go and have the proper gear, private land permission, and hounds to do so. Kaycee is locked up pretty good with a lot of private ground that is leased out, there is qiute a bit of public here and there, enough to hunt anyway. Don't let her steer you away from it, what she says doesen't matter......and everyone knows it

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:49 am
by Big Horn Posse
if you have an invite from a rancher go for it. There are plenty of guys here that will kill lions for ranchers locally here so if you have an exclusive invite you shouldn't turn it down if killing lions is what you intend to do. Your friend asked me my opinion on the lion population and I said it was not what it used to be and I think it is being over harvsted. I have been driving to other areas to hunt the national forest myself cause I will not tresspass on private and hunting the public land and the private I have permission on is tough to do as the places are small

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:18 am
by lionbiscuit
"not anymore since they did away with the quota and everybody and their brother come hunt here. I have been going to other areas to look for lions" is what she told me when i told her that i heard there were alot of cats in that kaycee area. But its all good eventually one of these days ill get over there and just see for myself, cause im sure ill be checking out plenty of new areas when our quota fills here, so i can get lots of experience under my belt and our pups. Maybe we will see BigHornPosse one of these days on the trail and u can tell us there are no cats just so we can prove you wrong :)

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:15 am
by houndnem
my opinion, which is probably worth less than anybody on here, is this. toms might set up scratch lines and have a pattern from time to time, but they are where you find them. they might do the same thing every day for a month and then move 50 miles away just for the hell of it. I have also seen another tom come in and kick them out of their "Home range". the most efficiant data does come from those gps collars on a toms neck, but they are as different from one cat to the next as we are from one hounder to the next. food source, sex drive, and other toms in the area are the biggest factors. you want that big tom, better catch his a$$ the frist time you find him cuz you just might not ever see him again.

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:07 am
by shawn cole
whether she learned it from here or there or wherever you big billy bad ass houndmen should not be downing women on a public site if you know so much post your number so everyone can just ask you smart asses you know everything i couldnt even imagine what your mothers would think picking on a girl but she still fights back to you thats grit right there ill tell you i have never seen a lion ever except in a zoo so im nobody and she sure has you boys always rattled for a lady but hey what do i know right my mother raised me to respect women not degrade them

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:38 pm
by Catman
I think it was houndawg a few years ago that posted a link to a collared female (I know this isn't a tom, BUT) the female was collared by tooele Utah, traveled down toward the Manti area, then back up, clear across the uintas, into wyoming took a turn south into Colorado, and someone harvested her there. If a freakin female will travel that far.....no telling what a tom will do. I think just when you think you have a tom kitty patterned....he's gonna prove you wrong :)

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:51 am
by mondomuttruner
Posse, at least I learned a little about lions from you, right or wrong it's still knowledge, prove it wrong. As for the other gents, we have hounders around here that may have good dogs, may catch game but still know little about the animal their chasing. I can't add anything to the post topic but at least Posse contributed to the topic. And a person wonders why hounding is going downhill.
Don't bother replying, I,m not going to waste another keystroke on you.

Those of you who think you know everything are very annoying to us who do. Think about it.

Re: QUESTIONS? MATURE TOM

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:31 am
by papa
You guys that take someone's opinion or observation as a personal challenge really need to grow up. I don't care who it is, whether a man or a woman. If someone wants to blow smoke on here, why do you have to lower the the IQ of the discussion to single cell level? It never fails. Let certain people make a casual comment and the topic at hand gets blown completely out of the water by you guys who just can't let it pass. Makes me wonder if you don't have serious image problems of your own. It gets to the place that you have to wade thru pages of crap just to get a little intelligent conversation. If you are that provoked by what you view as hypocrisy, why don't you take care of it outside the boundaries of this public forum. That way the rest of us won't have to read thru your childish drivel while trying to glean some info. This kind of crap can't be good for the growth of this forum. I don't know Tessa from adam's ox, but at least she owns up to being a woman. Some of you are apparently using men's names to disguise your own feminine inclination to drama and whining. I bet it's a real circus hunting with some of you guys. Wonder who has to tuck you in bed at night.