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I don't think it's a good idea to put the guides above the sport hunters.. If we are divided we will not stand a chance.

Haven't you heard the phrase Divide and Conquer.

We need to all stand together....

Yard Dog wrote:

T.Hunt wrote: I am not saying the outfitters are above us pleasure hunters. What I am saying is, We pleasure hunt, we do not have to be in the mountains with our dogs. If you do not want your dogs in danger, stay out of the mountains with them. This is how the majority of the government will view it. The outfitters however are loosing an expensive tool used to make a living. Almost all goverment representitives are buisnessmen, and will be more than likely have sympothy for another buinessmen, over someone who is just doing it for fun.

"Not saying outfitters are above pleasure hunters"........"If you do not wnat your dogs in danger, stay out of the mountains with them"......(government) "will be more likely to have sympothy for another bussinessmen, over someone who is just doing it for fun"..............You got to be shitting me.....

I bet all you Idaho boys just cant get that $20 check written out fast enough....

I don't have anything to do with this, but getting compensation for people who are recreating, would be pretty tough. Starting with outfitters is probably the best bet. Then it isn't a far stretch to ask for compensation for some one who supplements their income with some fur sales. Next thing you know the leisure hunter wants to know why it is the outfitters and fur hunters get compensation. It is called baby steps. Sometimes storming in a room demanding ends up with nothing for everyone. I am not at all sympathetic to outfitters, guides, or fur hunters compared to leisure hunters but it has to start somewhere.

If something gets going with this, keep us all posted, I would donate $20 to the cause no matter how it is getting started. Lets stick together in the hopes it helps everyone in the end.

I also see it a bad idea to try and accomidate guides first. If guides got accomidated it would probably stop there and never trickle down to the "weekend warrior" non guides that are hunting.
Whethor i lose a great dog or a guide looses a great dog the price tag of the dog is still the same and it is probably going to be a hell of a lot harder for the average hounder to replace a dog like that.
Let me also throw something back at you that you said, it was something about how guides have bigger losses in losing a dog because it is there way of life to be in the woods. Maybe they should stop guiding and start doing something a little less risky to make there money. JMO

I think I.H.A. is a Houndmens Group for sportsmen & women houndhunters in Idaho. Please stick to representing the sportsmen & women. There is a group that represents the Outtfitters & Guides. I would be interested in joining based on you Groups stance on a few things. I would like to talk with you on the phone sometime.

Mark

I don't know guys, if you really look at this both sides have really good points, but the thing is your dealling with the goverment. goverment will see it from the buisness end where the $ is at, and they might just give that helping hand, and then they will just dump on the rest of us like they always do. Personally i wouldn't want to see any outfitter get any help, but if it was to help me out in the long run i might have to think hard about it

I think we should stand together as one group. If it benefits the outfitters it should also benefit pleasure hunters. There are many differant views and how do you put a value on a hound?

I myself am as smart as a Box of Rock's, maybe. It seems to me that as it stands now we get nothing for our loses and we have to start somewhere or nothing will change. The outfitters bring in a lot of money with out of state tags,and as we all know F&G is in need of money, they were short around 2 mil this past year. I too am a pleasure hunter and it hurts when any of us loose a dog, hell if we counted up the actual cost of training and time and gas, we would probably all have a Heart Attract. What's that saying hang together or hang separately! Anyway that's my 2 cents for what it's worth.

on a slim chance that someday the government did reimburse the outfitters there is no way they would ever do it for a regular person. im sure the giudes have ways of recouping their losses. guiding is a business right? if they dont then i think its up to the guides to figure out a way for themselves. now if all the hound clubs wanted to do something like this for its members thats different. use part of the money or whatever percentage the club fees are and keep it in a separate part to help out the members when they are in need of help. thats more logical i think. as for doing it for guides or what have ya i dont agree. and no i dont have nothing against guides. its just what i think.

How many outfitters support hound clubs? I just think if your going to divide and support outfitters you better make sure the outfitters are supporting the hound club or clubs or in my mind they can fight there own battles. JMO.

basko wrote: now if all the hound clubs wanted to do something like this for its members thats different. use part of the money or whatever percentage the club fees are and keep it in a separate part to help out the members when they are in need of help. thats more logical i think. as for doing it for guides or what have ya i dont agree. and no i dont have nothing against guides. its just what i think.

basko; This is a great idea, exactly the feed back I am looking for. Most of the negative posts towards this subject have been nothing more than negativity. You went as far as putting some thought into a differet solution. Thank you very much for your imput.

I have been watching this post. I think it is funny how so many people who live in other states, who have nothing to do with whats trying to be accomplished seem to feel they need to post the 2 cents of negativity!! In my opinion you have all done enough to lose some to most all your own hound hunting rights in your own states, so I think we can do without your "expertice" on these matters!!! ( please pm me to gripe don't ruin this post anymore by bashing me....) I feel this is a matter that we need to go at together. Weather you like the idea of going with the guides or not. We will have more support and hopefully better numbers going at it together. If we don't all come together we will end up like those states around us. As it stands we probly have the best resident seasons and oppurtunities of any other of our surounding states. I feel we all need to come together and support one another before our rights come under fire, and I think this may be as good as starting piont as any. It's something we probly all agree needs worked on. Hopefully it will lay a solid foundation for our future as houndsman. Tim are you guys going to contact the other clubs and go at it together? Thanks Lance

I think its a great idea and I would fully support it. I wish montana would try for this as well.

Lance Bell wrote: Tim are you guys going to contact the other clubs and go at it together? Thanks Lance

If enough of the members agree with it. Yes. We would get in touch with the other houndsmen clubs, sport dog clubs, and outfitters associations to combat the issue with as many peple as possble. We are having the trials April 7th and 8th, and will have a vote while the members are present.

What part of Idaho is your club in ? I am in N Idaho and was a member of the N Idaho tree hound association but i don't think they have it any more. If you are close to here i might join.

You are having a go , I'm in , Fees on their way