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Cecil,you don't have to explain to me what someone said, I just asked a question after reading some of the other posts. I'll be sure to stay out of your hair,bud.

oregon perk wrote:Cecil,you don't have to explain to me what someone said, I just asked a question after reading some of the other posts. I'll be sure to stay out of your hair,bud.

I wasent sayen it for you buddy, it was said for those reading and following all this who have no experience and reall want to know, I didn`t hid behind (don`t tell me yourdog did it solo it will imberrase me amd my DOGS) ! Sometimes they don`t fully understand till ya fully spell it out and I did say (one last time) but my bad/wrong choice of words for the greenies, yes it did sound like it was said too you, and in part it was but really for them/ like thinging a man should be able too figure it out correctly on his own, but I opplogzy ta you ok I do not wish too belittle your thinking, I only should of just let ya go on your own way futhering-on your own way. as you contenplate and absorb things. Go too the (coon-badger-bear) question poll posts read em and you will figure out by all thats said 1 dog on any big pice of game that wants too war is not healthy for 1 dog if he makes a mistake it could cost that dog its life !

I sure wouldn't stay home because I only had one dog.....

horshur wrote:I sure wouldn't stay home because I only had one dog.....

Ok now that ya showed your hand, this if for you too see in print and remember this openions may change but facts remain !

In 50 friggen yrs behind hounds on game in Ca./Tn./Ky. I`ve never seen but 1 dog that was a solo biggame dog and I owned him a black & tan ! Now was he the onlyest dog who could tree up solo track fight and hold treed up biggame hound/ NO HE SURELY WASENT & their are a good number of em that have and will,but usually they areworked 2 or more dogs /WHY ?

Here it comes hot rodd no curve ball but right up the middle of the plate !

When a big bobcat 40 lbs or bigger, or a lynxx cat 50 lbs or bigger, or a mtn lion 90 lbs or bigger runs it not the hound hes afraid of solo chaseing him if he runs at all, its MAN hes poundering and getting away from distinceing himself from MAN! Notwithstanding though/ if that sized game gets caught on the greound by a hound/ even a 35 lb coon, if he isent hunt,toothless he will if that dog choses too mount that cridder, whip-out that solo dog and probably kill the dog pretty easely/ NO SHIT !
I was with my black and tan male PKC aggressive hound like you are too rollen the dice solo pleasure hunteing him in Tn. on longtails and though he didn`t get whooped out nor didnt get tore up he treedthem and about a fewbear as well and 2 bobcat but they wasent big bobcats ! I broke him off bobcats cause I hunted in the PKC OPEN hunts with him too. He was lucky, he could of lost his life ok ! Why, simple cause if hed of taken em away out from me and got treed and I couldn`tof found him and lokedand looked and by daylite the cat figures/HEY this dog hasent got the calvery comeing/ hummmmmm ? my nice young 3 yrs old becomes a delivery Pizza for that big lynxx cat, or long tail cat. Bear tree up they may stay a terrably long time up as long as a dog can slip off the tree toget a drink of water close at hand and if the game then slips out too the dog comes back home !
I never never said a dog don`t not need to be hunted solo on cat OK, I said there are pit falls and you come on like a little greenie tryen too deside 3 ways ya might go, ya never said boys my dog is solo treeing cat and am I takening a chance of him getting kille or cripled or ate ! I still would of said (HELL YA) a mountain lion will come down out of his ledge in the snw if there along enoughf and pick-off hounds if ya got but 1-2-3 of em and loose em for 24-36 hrs/ NO SHIT !
Look at your own pic of that good looken hound under the tree sitten way too close too the tree trunk and that mountain lion low and not on a limb nor up high in the top of the tree ! Did you not notice the onlysest thing he is conserned with is you/ MAN ? He could of been low on the side of the tree tryen too come down, I didn`t see no superman cape on your dog nor a scared look by the lion that he is pretty close to the hound below him ?! Infact he looks like hes made a choice just wants too get the heck out of there because here comes the calvery and hes hopen he can but your dog is happy and showing ya the meat/ would he catch the cat quickly if it droped too the ground and mount it ? Ya better hope he is smarter than that ! and if your lucky he will give it a head start so it will goup again soeswere else. A cat will settle if hes is screaming 2-3 times up in a tree nathen is not goen too bail out on the dogs but ya can and might not get mad by the facts bubba/ it can end up in a wreck some day and thats why most cat hunters don`t carry 1 hound lion hunting all the time/ they could if they got a cat dog but they know it ruelett sooner or later that one lion is goen too whip out their hound because he chocks or because he is goen too not pay head and rushes-in and gets killed. Or because he don`t leave a cold held tree up cause the calvery didn`t show and the cat is now considering comeing out and if need behewill take out the dog/cause hes rested the dog isent fromwaching and barking !

now I`m done withit if you post back anything other that well that what ya say is true enoughf your sure not looken at anything butyour own pride and wounded !I hate comeing off like this too anybody but dog gone anyone who will cry and pick up his football and go home cause he just made a bad play and blames the other teamfor being a good scout and prepaired forthe game/ is needen too take a brake and regroup and just laughf at himself and think well I`m not the onlyess one too screw up that guy would admitt him his self when he does too, I`ve checked his post and hes quickly said he was wrong,or sorry but he didn`t have too be ninny about, hedof found the fun in it that he was wrong and got back to them and sai so and gone on !

1 is better than 2 and 2 is better than 3 and so on and so forth. Thats my opinion, especially on anything where running the track is vitally important such as coon, cats, fox, and in my experience coyotes. I run 2 dogs on yotes in the day and 4 at night cause 2 will usually get sent packin it to the truck at night unless they are older and have a bunch of experience.

Cecil.. if that dog is only too close because I am there.....she holds off until the calvary arrived always has.... will leave the tree to find me. Most of my comrades think of her as a cull. Honest she was 500 metres up the hill bidding her time till I arrived. She also runs silent. That dog never had nothin worse happen to her than sore feet....we called her the chicken shit.
A old cougar hunter up this way, Bill Watt hardly ever used more than one and he has stacked the Toms but he does hunt them close.
Six years ago I was trying to get that dog on a cat and was lucky to spend a day with bill...not driving for hours and hours but walking a ridgeline with him and his dog...while he threw the odd boulder off of the rim. He was frank in telling me to let my dog go and see if she was really up for it...if she got killed she weren't worth feeding least in his oppinion.
Bills dog is getting real old.....And I just recently had to put her down for cancer.

horshur wrote:Cecil.. if that dog is only too close because I am there.....she holds off until the calvary arrived always has.... will leave the tree to find me. Most of my comrades think of her as a cull. Honest she was 500 metres up the hill bidding her time till I arrived. She also runs silent. That dog never had nothin worse happen to her than sore feet....we called her the chicken shit.
A old cougar hunter up this way, Bill Watt hardly ever used more than one and he has stacked the Toms but he does hunt them close.
Six years ago I was trying to get that dog on a cat and was lucky to spend a day with bill...not driving for hours and hours but walking a ridgeline with him and his dog...while he threw the odd boulder off of the rim. He was frank in telling me to let my dog go and see if she was really up for it...if she got killed she weren't worth feeding least in his oppinion.
Bills dog is getting real old.....And I just recently had to put her down for cancer.

I don`t see the state and area your from would like too know ? And sounds like shes alot smarter than most and has been run some and also was smart enoughf too know the calvery is her rescue unitt/ thats cretable of note in a lion dog (especially solo) .I only run 1 dog like I said solo all pleasure hunting usually a pair or double brace. But, as I pkc hunted and had just 1 dog, he was solo hunted pleasure hunting too compensate VS point hunt casts of roughf & tumble blowen dogs and it kept him sober mentally on the PKC hunts andthe biggame kept his aggressieveness channeled too handleing biggame not just an aggressieve dog. And; I would of run him solo even though cause I wanted 2 hunten yrs overhim solo pleasure hunting for finisning him out.

cecil..I am in british columbia Canada..5-6 hours north of the border.

the question was about bobs,now i'm just a green horn but in my persute of bobs which has covered 15 years,and a lot of those years were spent with shitty dogs or trieing like hell to put it all together and not winning over and over time after time,either dogs were to slow or damn thing wont stay treed,or lost him in the rocks,death march after death march,and finely out of the pack of dogs one shows alittle more and finly you got a dog worth messing with,after my wife has threatend to leave me if i bought one more worthless pup,so i ditched the loosers and had one dog worth the feed,and yes made the damn cats race fer its life,lol,now after all that and my percentage of finshed tracks the highest percentage of times i got to look at cat in tree was with one dog,now don't get me wrong if yer lucky enough to be blessed with 2 dogs that are cat dogs(not just a dog that will run cats) than by all means dump them , but i haven't,i never seemed to have 2 finished dogs at the same time,and if i'm actualu lucky enough to tree and hold cat there always seams to be the meat head that goes in with you cause it droped out,or bumped a deer at 2 years old,lol,man bobs are tough,and i aint got it all together but it aint fer lack of shoe leather but if yer a man like me and a mear mortal than i'll guess you'll go threw a few crudy ones beforeyou get a real dog,or maybe you have a few miles in and have found that dog,yer a bit wiser than at the start,unless you hunt bear ditch the pot licker and put yer time into the real dog,it will be way more profitable than messing with meadeocer dogs,than if you make this point yer a dog man and you probably got the sickness and every pup yoy see you think is that the next one, but i'm telling you real bobcat dogs are few and far between,now my bar is higher than most but none the less real bob dogs are truly a blessing it it truly a difrent way of life for us adictsand i must say this a good lion does not a good bobcat always make,believe me and the money i spent to learn that leson,oh well,i guess what it all comes down to if you got one dog that will do it than put it in the woods don't hesitate,yes you could loose it but it could also get out of the yard and get run over,let it hunt thats what it was made for.

i agree with what you said i do not have the experience that you have but i have worn out a few pair of boots and snow shoes chasing bobs after trying to make them run cats by walking the track with them. the dog I'm running now when he was young started running them on his own while i was coon hunting him and i just bought another that is doing the same thing i hope she turns out as good only time will tell .i have been running and training my own hounds since i was a teen for bear and coon and had & have some good ones I've hunted dogs that were great bear dogs and wore my self out trying to get them to run cats with little success i have a dog now that was a sometimes good bear dog but is a great coon-dog that i wouldn't trade for any that i ever hunted with it was him that reminded me what a old timer once told me to listen to your dogs they will tell you what they want to run so i took him off bear and was going to get rid of him and my son was ten and wanted to start going coon hunting which was what the problem with him as a bear dog he prefers a old coon track to a bear most of the time. i guess what I'm saying is that it is a lot easier to start a cat dog if you get lucky enough to get one that would rather run them over all other IMO i have never tried a lion dog but have been told what you said a lot and also heard that if you have a good bobcat dog it would probably make a good lion dog and like you said the dog was born to hunt and it ain't fair to leave him on the chain and like you said one is dam hard to come by few are lucky enough to own one but I'm greedy i guess i keep trying and hoping i find another like the one i got maybe it will be the one i just bought or one of the two pups i have growing in my kennels only time will tell .good luck to yuh LARRY

i personally like hunting around five or so dogs. usually 3-4 trained dogs and a young dog or two. each one of my older dogs will catch a bob on their own from the rig to the tree. so the lions are usually fairly easy for them alone but as cecil said what if something goes south. a few years ago i caught three lions at different times on the ground for some reason. the outcome was not so bad because i had multiple dogs in there.if i would have had one dog alone it might has been worse, who knows. but if a young started dog is going good i think the best thing you can do for it is to turn it out alone on some game. if that dog catches what its after by itself thats better than having it on 15 more trees with all the experianced dogs. if the dog doesnt hunt alone, get rid of it. who needs another "me too, dog".

uncle Brisco wrote:the question was about bobs,now i'm just a green horn but in my persute of bobs which has covered 15 years,and a lot of those years were spent with shitty dogs or trieing like hell to put it all together and not winning over and over time after time,either dogs were to slow or damn thing wont stay treed,or lost him in the rocks,death march after death march,and finely out of the pack of dogs one shows alittle more and finly you got a dog worth messing with,after my wife has threatend to leave me if i bought one more worthless pup,so i ditched the loosers and had one dog worth the feed,and yes made the damn cats race fer its life,lol,now after all that and my percentage of finshed tracks the highest percentage of times i got to look at cat in tree was with one dog,now don't get me wrong if yer lucky enough to be blessed with 2 dogs that are cat dogs(not just a dog that will run cats) than by all means dump them , but i haven't,i never seemed to have 2 finished dogs at the same time,and if i'm actualu lucky enough to tree and hold cat there always seams to be the meat head that goes in with you cause it droped out,or bumped a deer at 2 years old,lol,man bobs are tough,and i aint got it all together but it aint fer lack of shoe leather but if yer a man like me and a mear mortal than i'll guess you'll go threw a few crudy ones beforeyou get a real dog,or maybe you have a few miles in and have found that dog,yer a bit wiser than at the start,unless you hunt bear ditch the pot licker and put yer time into the real dog,it will be way more profitable than messing with meadeocer dogs,than if you make this point yer a dog man and you probably got the sickness and every pup yoy see you think is that the next one, but i'm telling you real bobcat dogs are few and far between,now my bar is higher than most but none the less real bob dogs are truly a blessing it it truly a difrent way of life for us adictsand i must say this a good lion does not a good bobcat always make,believe me and the money i spent to learn that leson,oh well,i guess what it all comes down to if you got one dog that will do it than put it in the woods don't hesitate,yes you could loose it but it could also get out of the yard and get run over,let it hunt thats what it was made for.

You and I think an awful lot alike. I dont run bobs but I do run coyotes and I have never in my life owned more than 2 dogs at a time that were worth feeding and about every 6 months have to have me a good ole fashion kennel clensing.

Dan Edwards wrote:

uncle Brisco wrote:the question was about bobs,now i'm just a green horn but in my persute of bobs which has covered 15 years,and a lot of those years were spent with shitty dogs or trieing like hell to put it all together and not winning over and over time after time,either dogs were to slow or damn thing wont stay treed,or lost him in the rocks,death march after death march,and finely out of the pack of dogs one shows alittle more and finly you got a dog worth messing with,after my wife has threatend to leave me if i bought one more worthless pup,so i ditched the loosers and had one dog worth the feed,and yes made the damn cats race fer its life,lol,now after all that and my percentage of finshed tracks the highest percentage of times i got to look at cat in tree was with one dog,now don't get me wrong if yer lucky enough to be blessed with 2 dogs that are cat dogs(not just a dog that will run cats) than by all means dump them , but i haven't,i never seemed to have 2 finished dogs at the same time,and if i'm actualu lucky enough to tree and hold cat there always seams to be the meat head that goes in with you cause it droped out,or bumped a deer at 2 years old,lol,man bobs are tough,and i aint got it all together but it aint fer lack of shoe leather but if yer a man like me and a mear mortal than i'll guess you'll go threw a few crudy ones beforeyou get a real dog,or maybe you have a few miles in and have found that dog,yer a bit wiser than at the start,unless you hunt bear ditch the pot licker and put yer time into the real dog,it will be way more profitable than messing with meadeocer dogs,than if you make this point yer a dog man and you probably got the sickness and every pup yoy see you think is that the next one, but i'm telling you real bobcat dogs are few and far between,now my bar is higher than most but none the less real bob dogs are truly a blessing it it truly a difrent way of life for us adictsand i must say this a good lion does not a good bobcat always make,believe me and the money i spent to learn that leson,oh well,i guess what it all comes down to if you got one dog that will do it than put it in the woods don't hesitate,yes you could loose it but it could also get out of the yard and get run over,let it hunt thats what it was made for.

You and I think an awful lot alike. I dont run bobs but I do run coyotes and I have never in my life owned more than 2 dogs at a time that were worth feeding and about every 6 months have to have me a good ole fashion kennel clensing.

Somehow thers some going an blowen on 1 dog is enoughf and all that/ shootI hunt 1 dog if thats what I got, but not more than 2 on bobcat cause thats plenty an at certain times could be almost too many. But the questio was is it dangeriouse/ hell ya ! It can be too getten a dog whoped out or killed/ but that doen`t say oh shoot hell no don`t hunt but one dog/