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Brett it wasnt lion hunting that caused me to think i needed grit it was bear and bobcat hunting but mostly bear.i was running problem beats out of residential areas at all hours and these bears had become accustomed to dogs and didnt run but stood and fought. Mostly learned from stealing dog food.and raiding trash cans and cars while bluffing or just plain whipping the yard dogs. I made several mistakes in this that i figured were my fault not the dogs. I used young dogs I thought it east a good method for training them. It wasn't for a few reasons i should have foreseen . But i was not hunting bears i was running them off but not treeing or baying them. So it started issues with the hounds that i mistook for lack of grit. I tried different approaches even pits and a pitcross. When the real solution was getting it right the very first time with each bear and putting alot of pressure on them and be as traumatic as possible. I used two heeler x hounds who will bite but not stupidly and four loud male hounds that would pressure also. But this was only because thats what i had in the line of dogs that i felt wouldn't pick up to many bad habits. The best solution is keeping edibles and water away from your house and a twelve gauge by the door. And train your dogs exactly like you plan on hunting them.

J.T. wrote:however i find this to be pretty cool, but this should be locked to members only cause those kind of pictures help the antis form their own little stories

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Thanks.. I have a spoiled lion that has been jumping every time I get within 200 to 300 yards it's real rough country and sure makes for some long days. It has been suggested to me that I need more aggressive dogs to keep her up...not sure but I probably just need to be more careful in my approach

J.T. wrote:however i find this to be pretty cool, but this should be locked to members only cause those kind of pictures help the antis form their own little stories

I dont disagree, but the pics are from Argenitna and let the Antis try their crap in Argentina.

They will be drawn and quartered.

its not like the USA. Testosterone abounds among men there.

txswamphunter wrote:You will be hard pressed to find one that will trail like a hound an they are pack dogs , have only seen a few but was not impressed

Duplicate see below-next post.

txswamphunter wrote:You will be hard pressed to find one that will trail like a hound an they are pack dogs , have only seen a few but was not impressed

Dogo men take that as a compliment.

They aint a hound, hunt like a hound or work like a hound, but as a Running CATCH dog, and theyre the best at that in the world. From Molasser/Pointer stock and refined into what it is today.

Argentians probably kill more Boar with Dogos that all the curs in the USA, and thats a fact.

pegleg wrote:Yes declawed and out of air/trained. Zooming the picture answered the first question handily. As for some scratch marks on his head thats no proof of anything.

The 'scratches' SCARS, sure as Hell didnt come from Hogs..

I have nothing against dogos and actual am impressed by the fact.they pack better on average then most bully breeds. As for one on one lion catccadhing ill have to say that while lions arent what id call aggressive they are dangerous and more then capable of gutting dogs or killing with one bite.

Not aggressive?
Lions kill all kinds of large 'tough' dogs one on one every year, from Airedales to Labs to german shepherd guarding the yard.
The fact that a Dogo can and has killed them one on one routinely, attests to their toughness.

I dont have any proof that a lion generates more bite force then most dogs of any breed but im sure a enterprising guy could find some numbers online somewhere to plug into the equation.

They have enough bite to break bones, same as alot of dogs, yet they kill alot of large breed dogs annually.

Ive seen what happens when you have a dog in your pack thats convinced it can catch hold of a lion and ive seen the fury of roping one wrong to.

Youve seen it, but above you said lions were what youd call ;aggressive;, so what is it then?

In any case its gotten to the point i dont think anyones debating the same issue

You cant debate anything you have no proof of.

This is an adult Lion with an adult Dogo IN Argentina, being tested and proven (Second 13-18 in). Granted hes declawed, wouldnt mattered at all.
Dogo has his neck in 4 seconds and works from the side.
This is called Proof, whereas your words are called BS. I know there are antis visiting so I cant put up more vids or photos and wont. But this should settle all discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0OkMarIBaY

I figured that all was pretty clear . Yes lions bite harder then dogs but then you can argue that however its said. Aggressive is the act of acting with no or slight provocation lions dont generally fall into that category. Roping one is very similar to having a dog grab a mouth full its suddenly trapped and will try all it can to get loose.but a jack rabbit will do the same thing do you consider them aggressive to ? Proof nope i try to steer clear of that as theres always exceptions. I might see the same behavior in a animal a hundred times and then completley different actions the next. Which action is ghe one you select for proof? The one that suits your arguement i'd guess. As for his "scars" whats that prove? Ive seen dogs do the same thing and worse to each other so maybe he stuck his head through the fence and let the dog next door chew on it. Yes lions kill dogs but probably most arent killed the way many would think. Unless you have a cat biter in your pack . AndAnd being declawed makes that cat helpless in most everyone of his natural responses.such as kicking dogs guts out if grabbed. But i digress you have the proof and are happy with what ever you think it is. And ill extend a cordial invitation to you to bring your dogs and we'll do a little lion hunting

cowboyvon-Take one of the stags with you.

txswamphunter-A good bullstag can do anything a dogo can...and some stuff they cant, at about 1/10th the price.

Take care.

im no lion hunter but im with pegleg did anyone else notice three dogos later and that cat was still kicking and that first dog looked dead tired and if that cat had claws it would have pulled that dogo off instead of hugging it and it definitly would have a stomach ache !

i watched the video and your right don't post any more links they don't do any favors for dogo's or any site that would host the vids or the animal baiting. the dog would be dead or so crippled he was usless a grown tom kicking with his back feet has been the un doing of lots of animals includinging other toms. the bites are always horribble but most toms aren't able to bulldoze or sneak up on another to effectively deliver a spine bite. so its in the legs i've seen the worst bites with the hole bone structure busted. i bet theres some really nasty lion on lion kills we miss often even dead females. i don't pretend to understand that part of a lions thinking as most of the theories put forward have to do with reproduction and genetic spread but ill guess those toms will kill their own kittens just as often and occassionally kill the mother to. i'd like to hear that discussion again by some of our old time lion hunters but doubt they'd print anything here. i liked the guys forward trhinking in vid his dogs are so special they don't need air under that cover either hope he didn't bump his exhaust going home. "for those unable to tell thats sarcasm" but this is right there with the russians baiting trained chained declawed browns with their dogs.

Why would any one give a shit about what video is shown if its not yours what happened to are countries back bone. You mention old timers and what they do or think who cares if you think some one is wrong and you are right then so be it, lets not discuss it all post those dogs are cool if you don't like them don't post you guys beat a dead horse I own a dogo and think they are great but I think all five breeds of dog I own in there own way of hunting are great.

I am a hunter - dislike immensely watching videos like that. De-clawed and cornered what does that prove other than the gameness of the Dogo. 1,2 or 3 Dogos try tackle a wild Leopard like that and they will nor survive. Man has always used Aulant breeds and the best quality of the Dogo - for me at least - is the intelligence and calculation. Apart from some proper scratching on the head and neck my Dogos have not received greater injury.

African wrote:I am a hunter - dislike immensely watching videos like that. De-clawed and cornered what does that prove other than the gameness of the Dogo. 1,2 or 3 Dogos try tackle a wild Leopard like that and they will nor survive...

Its the equivalent of a Baypen for future hog dogs, the dogos, like these dogo youngsters seen, learn manners and tactics, like how to work the side to avoid getting raked unnecessarily.

Dogo 1 had the cat down in 2 seconds and was working his neck. Wouldve expired the cat shortly thereafter.

You vest your dogs, and 3 dogos will take a leopard.
Romans tried it back when on African Lions and 3-4 dogs could kill a lion. Leopard is no match for a lion.
Filas and Dogos run into Jaguards as well, who are twice the size of a leopard, outcome is predictable.

Man has always used Aulant breeds and the best quality of the Dogo - for me at least - is the intelligence and calculation. Apart from some proper scratching on the head and neck my Dogos have not received greater injury.

Agreed.And on Leopards no less.??!!
The FACTS are that Dogos HAVE Killed Mountain Lions one on one.
Its fact, not anecdote not hyothesis. But reality.
These are special dogs. And special within the breed.

Dogos arent for everyone, in every terrain, but in their backyard, on Russian Hogs and occasional puma, nothing comes close.

UphillDoc wrote:cowboyvon-Take one of the stags with you.

txswamphunter-A good bullstag can do anything a dogo can...and some stuff they cant, at about 1/10th the price.

Take care.

They cant fight worth a d a m n.

Will not catch and stay caught under pressure or pain.
Good at running game down, not so good at catching and fighting, especially singly or low numbers.

1/10 the price is about right, you get what you pay for....