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If a dog is from the Cameron breeding say so, if it has those traits say so. If Del did not breed it and if you did ask Del what he would say. I bet he would say it is out of my dogs but I did not breed it, have not hunted with it so I can't say if is typical Of my breeding. If the dogs has been bred down several generations no telling what it is other than a Bluetick. Dewey

Very well said but I would assume that I was buying in to the hunters dog not the dogs hunter. So if ones breeding program is based around the traits of A particular dog, and every dog be traced back to the original dog with no out cross having been made does that give you the right to mention the original dog or are things better left unsaid?

Hudson

Sorry but I'm going to turn the table so too speak... And this is the extreme opposite but none the less. Lets say the person that has the dogs now (not the original breeder) becomes a household name amongst hunters for what he has archived with his dogs does that give the original breeder the right to say those dogs are out my XYZ dog?

Most of us in the Hound world, use the name of the "Famous" breeder whose dogs are the background of our own hounds. What I disagree with is guys using the "Famous" name as their own kennel name. I think that when a dog is Registered under a kennel name, that name becomes registered as well, and cannot be used by anyone other than the owner of that kennel name.
Exceptions to the rule would be a continuation of the Line, by a family member who takes over the breeding program, or if express written permission is notarized, but the original owner.
If I want a Smokey River hound, I want a hound Bred by Mr. HASLOUER . If I want a Smokey River BRED hound, then I will look for a breeder who has the hounds in the pedigree that I want.
|Just my Opinion

we like to identify are dogs somehow it is human nature.they came from somewhere. breeding to one outcross of different blood reshuffles everything.their are quite alot of variations right in a line of dogs to begin with .heak look how funny we get our last names . are you really a walton ?

Kordog; I doubt it. Most of the people that ended up in the hill country of Arkansas were running from something. My sister is trying to trace us back now. I wished her luck with it. Whats in a name anyway. Which was my point all that matters is what the dogs do but so many people buy because of a name and on good faith. Their are breeders out here that sale a lot pups from dogs that have not caught much game in years. Dewey

i hear ya . where there is money to be made there will always be unscrupulous breeders.or they simply just dont know any better.there are probably not enough good breeders producing enough pups to fill the void to boot.novice buyers buy most of the unscrupulously bred stuff. kids want hounds right now not two years from now . i use to be one of them.along time ago i told the best bearhound guy in the state that i was looking for papered dogs when he offered me a pup out of his two best dogs .i just didnt know any better. my dogs became grade because i came to my senses a few years later breeding his stock into my really good papered dog. its tuff for someone starting out to get good stock or to even know how . this website is helpful.

This is where the papered dogs have their good and their ridicule. It is all in the integritty of the person breeding the dogs. Saying what the blood consists of is one thing, saying it is a continuation of the original breeders objective is misrepresentation. There are certain traits that accompany certain bloodlines like grit or cold nose or speed, etc., but to think one knows the strain well enough to simulate the choices in selecting crosses that the original breeder might have made, esp. without even seeing and hunting the foundation stock let alone hunting with the original breeder for a long time is at the very least, questionable. Riding the coat tails of a high profile name and making money off it isn't right, esp. if the dogs traits aren't what they are professed to be.
Having said that, there are some (very few) breeders that are continuing specific bloodlines with outstanding integrity for the blood (and the traits in the blood) and are doing a great job in their undertaking.
That's my opinion.

I've owned some dogs that were good dog, that not just I liked but that could of made it in a lot of guys packs. But for very small reasons I did not breed. So just because you have two dog out of one of the big name lines and breed them that in my eyes does not mean that the Org. breeder would of made that cross or would of breed that male or female at all. NOT ALL DOGS MAKE IT TO THE BREEDING PEN. That is why it takes so long to make a line ! You think them guys breed every male and female ? ? They didn't breed for dollars they breed for dogs

} As Jeff said they didn't breed for dollars they bred for dogs.}Something to think about with a person that has pups for sale. Did he breed the dogs because he wanted a pup himself or did he breed the dogs to have pups for sale. If he bred the dogs because he wanted a pup himself out of that breeding and sales the extra ones it gets my attention. Then I look at parents and grandparents, If I still like what I see then I think about getting a pup. Dewey

If I bought two dogs that were from you Dewey out of your stock of dogs and then breed them, to me that litter of pups are no longer Dewey Walton breed dogs but they are Tim cook breed dogs. I don't consider Andy's dogs nance dogs at all, not picking on you Andy but after 30 years I think it's pretty safe to say that that is now your own line of dogs, you've done a good job with them you should take credit for it,I dont think Bretts dogs are Cameron, Vaghn, smokey river dogs ( sorry Brett I don't remember where your dogs started) but they are Brett Williams dogs, a great strain of blue dogs.

Tim Cook wrote:If I bought two dogs that were from you Dewey out of your stock of dogs and then breed them, to me that litter of pups are no longer Dewey Walton breed dogs but they are Tim cook breed dogs. I don't consider Andy's dogs nance dogs at all, not picking on you Andy but after 30 years I think it's pretty safe to say that that is now your own line of dogs, you've done a good job with them you should take credit for it,I dont think Bretts dogs are Cameron, Vaghn, smokey river dogs ( sorry Brett I don't remember where your dogs started) but they are Brett Williams dogs, a great strain of blue dogs.

Tim no offense taken and thanks for the kind words on my dogs. Andy

a lot of people say a dog is this or that when selling a dog, then when you look how it was bred it has the famous line way back and often only on one side. im thinkin it should be on top and bottom and way back and close to to be claimed as this line or that line. I find this often in my pursuit of the curs im messin with. it can be frustrating. just my thoughts