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here is another interesting one also, last night my wife had a friend of hers over and her children and they were in the back yard. now my back yard is about 1.5 acre and my kennels are in the very back. my wife and her friend in the house visiting and one of the friends kids opened the door to one of my male 8yr old walker/bluetick crosses from Burt Emmit and that dog blew out of there after this little minni doberman, which took off and ran under my daughters 10x10 doll house that sits 6 in off ground. my wife said this dog acted like he was on course to gobble this little dog up. now old pilot weights about 60lbs and my wife weight about 100lbs, so i can imagine seeing my wife trying to pull pilot off, while her friend is crying and her friends kids are crying, and my 9yr old son saying, thats cool, lets do that again mom. my dogs are always around other dogs of all sizes and we do not tollerate any aggressiveness to other dogs at all. why then so aggressive toward this dog? to top it off i got home 10 minutes after all this had transpired and let my (2) 4 month old plott pups out of the kennel to play and put the locks on the other 4 adult dog kennels so it would not happen again while her friend was there and the next thing i knew the 2 plott pups noticed the little dog and both took off after it in the middle of the yard. they were barking and chasing so hard with my little female right on its tail when it headed under the doll house, that female thought she could fallow and wedged herself so hard trying to get under there i had to jack the doll house up to get her out. by now my wifes friend was ready to go home (with her dog). i believe there has to be a scent that the dog put off that would get them so fired up.

kevin

Kevin just a question the other dogs that your dogs have been around was they hunting dogs and or has any other dogs been in the 1.5 acre back yard. And question number 3 has there been other dogs since you got your pups. Why do I ask curiosity is guess. I used to call alot of coyotes a few years back and I studied them almost all year it was interesting how they would interact in their territorys and how that interaction would differ during different times of the year. And how a dominant dog acts towards a lesser male and sometimes it's the dominant female that is the aggressive one. But at a dead cow or bait as we called it you could see that there was not alot of fighting just positioning I've seen two dominate dogs at the same carcuss and never fight but I've seen them both put the run on pups that just blunder in hungry they would run it and then go right back to where they had been one sitting off a few yards and the other eating. But now during mateing season or dening time the lesser coyotes could move threw territorys with just verbal challenges but dominate dogs fought or never crossed lines. And it also depened on whose territory the bait was in on which coyote ate when different dominate ones where there at the same time. So why did I say all that don't know just thinking that it's not only scent but also the way an odd animal moves or acts whether cat or dog that can trigger the hunt or defense of territory in a hound maybe? Or how many times are your kids outside with odd dogs around? I've seen my cur run back to porch with tail between legs at night when coyotes came close but i've seen same dog charge coyotes if my kids are outside.

HOPE I CAN ANSWER THIS TO CLEARIFY SOME BEHAVIOR. I HAVE HAD OTHER DOGS IN MY YARD THAT ARE NOT HUNTING DOGS, I ALSO DO NOT EVER ALOW MY DOGS TO BE AGGRESSIVE IN ANY WAY OR BE DOMINATE TO OTHER DOGS. I AM THE ONLY ONE ALOUD TO BE DOMINATE, WHILE EATING ,PLAYING, HUNTING OR JUST LOUNGING AROUND, I DONT CARE IF YOU ARE A NEW DOG TO MY PACK OR OLD, OR 1YR OLD OR 10YR OLD THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DOMINANCE IN MY PACK TOWARDS OTHER DOGS THIS IS WHY IT BLEW ME AWAY FOR MY OLDER MALE TO ACT THIS WAY. THEN TO HAVE MY PUPS (WHICH I BELIVE STILL NEED ALOT OF WORK ON THIS BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE) ACT OVERLY AGGRESSIVE . MY QUESTION WAS DO YOU THINK THIS WAS JUST A DIFFERENT SCENT THAT THEY HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED BEFORE. IT WAS LIKE THAT THAT HUNTING SWITCH WAS TURNED ON.

KEVIN

krk hunting

I have seen that with my dogs as well, only two dogs that are owned by the same guy trigger this hunting switch. I have had other dogs visit without any problems and have introduced new dogs to the pack as well without any issues. We live near a trail-head into a wilderness area and get alot of people walking dogs past our fence. With all the other dogs there are a few barks but no rushing the fence ect.

But as soon as those two come its like they have smelled a bear or something rush the fence and just want to get out there and run those two dogs Mine can be laying in the shade 1/4 mile away and they get a wiff of those two dogs and they are up and to the fence. I had one run in with them outside the fence and it was not fun... very embarasing they acted like those two dogs was foxes or something. I don't own a shock collar so it took some doing to get my dogs back inside the fence. Usualy mine are very well behaved...

Problem is the guy keeps coming up 3-4 times a week with his little dogs and one of these days we will be outside the fence again when he is coming past... One is a Jack Russle and other is a Shitzu, not realy the type of dogs one would take into a wilderness area and let run loose but he does. I want to work with them but not sure I dare ask after that run in lol. Mine will not chase chickens ect so I should be able to turn them off those two dogs but would have to do it in a controled environment. With some coperation from the owner...

THAT IS THE HARD THING TO GET THE OTHER OWNER TO BE WILLING TO LET YOU DO SOME BEHAVIORAL TRAINING WITH HIS DOGS AT RISK, BUT IF HE IS DUMB ENOUGH TO KEEP COMING BY YOUR HOUNDS WHEN HE KNOWS THERE IS A PROBLEM THEN HE MAY DO IT. BUT LIKE YOU SAID IT IS ONLY A PROBLEM WITH A CERTAIN DOG. WHAT COULD IT BE ? IE: SCENT OR WHAT?

KEVIN

You know, come to think of it my blueticks act out towards these "miniature" type dogs. I don't think that they believe these small "dogs" are actually dogs.

I had a pack of coyote running dogs for 40 years.
I had my dogs run another dog one time.
They run him for about 2 miles & caught him.
When I got there they were baying & about had him streched out.
He was a big rotwieller looking dog. only time this ever happened.
Dogs that are 100% broke off of whitetails deer will run muleys like they were tied to him, I have had this happen several times.
Most old bobcat dogs will not fool with a ditch lion, they know the difference.

Well, if all this is true, that hounds can get along with and not even bother barn cats, how do you train your hounds to run bobs? Actually my plan was to catch some stray or feral cats and train my hounds to run bobs. But sounds like that plan probably won't work!

coondogger, running feral or wild house cats sure wont hurt your young dogs and I have never tried to break my dogs from knowing if a cat is a tame one or wild. But then again I dont have any tame cats around the place either because I have always alowed the dogs to run them. What I think some guys are saying is if tought, their dogs can tell which cat is ok to run and which one they cant.

Twist, you are absolutely correct.

briarpatch

Thanks guy's! I'm really pretty new to bobcat hunting and I'm tryng to figure out what I can about conditioning my dog's to run bobs. There's really not very much info at all about hound hunting bobs! So I could use all the help and info I can get. I sure do appreciate it! Also Where I currently am living here in south eastern PA I don't think we have an abundance of bob's anyway, So my dog's are going to have to be pretty Good to put one up a tree. I can hardly wait to get back out to my home in OK! I'm only here in PA tempararily. Anyway thanks again for claryfing that for me.

i started my cat dog on house cats

this wont help you any, but all this reminds me of a town that no longer exists. It was called Valsetz, Oregon. The town was actually owned by a logging/milling company and was perched right at the summit of the coast range West and South of Dallas,OR. You would be winding around on gravel logging roads, and then all of a sudden, there's this town of simple houses, a big mill pond, and a big mill. This town was situated in the middle of as good of bobcat country as I have ever known, as far as numbers of cats goes. what was curious about it was this:

Old experienced bobcat dogs that would never strike or run house cats, did in fact strike and run the house cats in this town if you would let them. Some of these cats were spotted and bigger than normal, so the theory was they were house cat/bobcat crosses.

Now I have seen there is a type of cat at domestic cat shows/magazines etc that is supposedly a cross between the coastal bobcats of Oregon/Washington and domestic cats. I forget the name of the cats(I want to say "Pixie"?), but they are named after a particular cat that was the foundation of the breed and was supposedly a cross breed hybrid.