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I like hard hittin dogs but only cause where I live, thats what it takes to catch my game day in and day out. I see all the problems with them too though and get absolutely frustrated at times but anything other than a hard hittin dog will not catch coyotes around here and here is the reason and it dont make sense to some but its true. Around here, the trackin is pretty descent alot of the times in the timber but once you hit the freeze dried chizel plowed fields you can forget it. There aint no trackin anymore. If I had a track stradling type cold nosed grub em up type track dog, sure they could run that track across the open country cause they would slow down and rate it and walk it if they had to and thats great but.......you aint never ever ever gonna catch a coyote that way. You might run them but you wont ever catch them. I have hunted them kind of dogs here and them dog will give you some of the longest races you will ever see and will very rarely spit out the track but them races will always end in failure cause you just cant pump the air out of a coyote with that type of race. Around here it just takes a dog that is hard hittin and swingin, almost guessin to get up on the yote. Anyhow, thanks for the discussion guys. I figgered it would go about the way it did but to each his own ya know.


Totally off subject here but there is a fella out west that at one time was breeding some high powered English Pointers to some old time rough ass Staghounds to hunt coyotes with in the wide open type country. I just would have loved to see what them type dogs would be capable of as far as winding and running down yotes. Wouldnt be the end all to my problems of course but might would be interesting to see what they would be like crossed on some running hound blood. Anyhow, just something for folks to think about.

ya can't knock any dog that runs the way YOU want it to and gets the job done. i certainly was'nt tryin to start a problem. marty

I like it when they can push the track hard, But personally I have allot of problems when they try and run a Cold cat track like a hot one. Or run a Cat like a Yote.. or deer, Really pisses me off and they normally make more looses. and I spend allot of time trying to figure out what happened.

I'm really not sure if I would rather have a Dog that knows how to move a track fast and have them learn to slow down on Cold tracks, (from experience) then try and get a Slow dog to speed up..

I'me trying the first.. Fast dogs, and have them learn to slow down.

One experience I had was I dropped 3-4 dogs on a cat that I watched cross the road, All the dog could smell it, but no one could line it out. Dumped the one dog that was in the box because she was chasing ELk all night and I was stukk Pissed at her for it.. she went in, (after giving the other dogs 45 minutes to figure it out) , and within 2 minutes made a Circle and started pushing the Track and caught the cat. I don't know how but she just knew, Guessed, or what ever you call it but she was a natural at finding the loose... she wanted to run a track..

But man.. That bitch was Trashy as HELL. She just loved to Run a track(any track).. And she was pretty good at it.. If I could have gotten her Broke early on, she would have caught me allot more Good Game.

Just My two cents??

tramp wrote:ya can't knock any dog that runs the way YOU want it to and gets the job done. i certainly was'nt tryin to start a problem. marty

Aint no problems with me. Hell, I like it when folks ass around and joke but nobody seems they can take it on these boards anymore.

Hi Guys

Intersting topic. Here where I hunt what you call hard hittin, I think we call drifting. I agree a dog that will drift on bad tracks is good to have. As long as he knows when to stop and get back with the rest of the dogs if they make the pick up. Sometimes that dog that drifts doesn't always make that pick up. I've seen some dogs that drift too much and they get burned, the other dogs make the pick up and leave out running and that drifting dog has to make up allot of ground.

I guess that's why we all have packs of dogs. Some dogs in the pack drift a track real good, and some dogs in the pack "straddle" or work a track "close" really good.

Everlast, thanks for joining in on what I think to be one of the most important hound topics there is. Anyhow, do not take this to be ative but this has been my experience. I have also seen dogs that are hard hittin dogs that blow up races and cant keep their mind in the game for more than a minute or two but I have also seen this other deal. I have seen a God's plenty of dogs out there that are track straddlers that seem to be so independent or just plain stupid or you name it that get their ass tossed all the time cause they cant seem to lift their head up and get ahead. I guess what I am tryin to say is this, I have seen just as many "track" dogs get tosses as I have seen hard hittin dogs get tossed. I dont know for sure why the track dogs get tossed but I think its usually one of two reasons. Either their minds are so independent that they wont hark to other dogs or at least wont always hark to another dog, I have seen this big time in certain dogs that are very track oriented. I also think that they at times are straddling along when the "drifter" picks a track up a 1/4 mile or so ahead and maybe there is a wind in the wrong direction and they are just too far gone by then.

Once again, I have seen the swingin dog blow up races for sure but I truely believe they get tossed out less than track straddler. Plus, one more thing. I had an older Walker dog here the last two years and I had some for damn sure hard hittin swingin sumbitches and a few of them were just absolute idiots and you know they never effected him a damn bit. He would hark to another dog on a pick up but it was almost like he knew he owned the track for the most part and was gonna run it his way. Anyhow, overall he is the best track dog I ever seen. He would swing for sure on a running coyote but he could also rate a track well and knew when to slow down.

I agree 100%........

dan, i could use a harder hittin dog as they all seem to ledge up or get into quarry dumps. but would like the dog to have some brains. drive me to

I dont know what you are hunting but if its cats I have an idea. I would find some fella maybe even yourself who has some good old hound blood that can flat run a cat. I mean from cold trail to jump and then put pretty good pressure to it. I would then take a female from that line or whatever and I would go find me one of the snappiest little cur squirrel dogs I could find that could really move and I would breed to that dog and hunt the offspring with that good old hound blood. I believe there is great potential there if people would only give it a whirl. I have seen some of the most amazing shit from some of them cur dogs. Overall I would say they aint worth a dime but if you ever see a good one pull a rabbit out of a hat, you will know exactly what I am talkin about.