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That is a classic example Nolte. I see it all the time coyote hunting. Dogs look like shit all day long. Cant run a track and damn sure aint gonna catch one. Cast em down the last creek of the day and they fiddle around down there for an hour and you are all pissed off cause you just wanna get your ass home and drink a beer and eat a damn burger or something. Next thing ya know, you drive down the road and to the other side of section to maybe see if ya can hear something. Step out the truck and they are bayed hard on a yote or killin it or something. You know damn good and well they didnt run that thing but he just jumped off in the water and they had him bayed up. Like you said, I could drink the koolaid and bullshit myself but I know better.

A good friend of mine always says, "Your coyote catchin has a hell of alot more to do with the coyote than it does your dogs." I know for a fact he is right.

Fat dogs and skinny bear

not to mention the fat ass hunters like myself and burton trying to get in there when the dogs are caught or treed. the longer it takes you to get there the more chit happens.

Very nice and respectful post guys. Nolte I always enjoy reading your posts. Its nice to discuss these things with people I know for a fact are catching bear regularly you both seemed to have had a good season last year.

Hope I didnt piss ya off chiming in b&t. I dont hunt bear, only been one week in my life but I seen enough that week to know that its like anything else. You aint gonna catch the good ones. Some bear just like some coyote or some cats or some fox, just cant be caught.

Didn't bother me a bit Dan.

ike

Know IKE don't go muddying the water, fortunately it only took Dan a week to figure out what some never do.

have always got outrun more than i got whipped off-

im pretty sure there are bear that convinces the dogs , maybe they shouldnt run so fast -- -it can be a combination of both--


seen a walking bear .become a
running bear and finally treed-

-dogs did their job


i seen it go the other way too-

bear did his job





i count it as a tree anytime bears stopped rock solid and dogs caught off him

, killed or not - - this is just to simplify the count lol

ive seen a few bear shot ,

counted that as treed too -----never know now if could have treed them -

werent really caught - just shot -

if im walking to tree-- get 30 yards away
and hear bear sliding down tree--- i dont count it as treed or caught --


have to draw the line somewhere thats the rule , -

I had a guy tell me that one time Pete, that he didn't count a bear as treed unless he got under that tree. What I should have asked him did he think or consider that the dogs treed the bear or did he believe the bear wasn't treed unless he was there? In my opinion, he was thinking "he" hadn't treed a bear unless he made it under the tree and wasn't giving his dogs their credit........

I took the hounds and a good buddy bear hunting on his first bear tree and bear race. My hounds were the bear dogs and his young dogs were pups that came from my hounds. Anyway, my hounds rigged a nice boar and ran him to the tree and we walked into it catching up with his young dogs that were still trying to move the bear track. They went on into the tree with us to find a nice three hundred class pound boar high on a fork of that fir tree. Five of my hounds were locked up solid on the tree and his young dogs began to tree from about six or eight feet out.........

We threw down our backpacks to get the cameras out and that boar came running down the trunk of that tree at my dogs head first, and not a one peeled off that tree. The boar got just above their heads and jumped away from the trunk to clear those dogs, and they all got a mouth full of azz hair on the way past. (this was the story that some of these guys quoted me on "rolling ball of furry."

That bear ran nearly clear off the mountain and back past us in the next drainage, then bayed a minute before running over the top. I figured that bear had stopped to suck air. After only a few minutes, tha tboar squirted out over the top of that pinion hillside and crossed the next drainage before those hounds slammed him into the second tree.

It probably took us a half hour or more to make the second tree, but the bear was done and we shot photos and listened to the mountain music until we grew weary of it. When we pulled off that tree, my buddy leashed up four hounds and I the other four. We hadn't pulled those dogs ten feet away from the tree when that boar came down running like the devil was after him, and we watched him disappear through the timber running......

So my question is was the bear treed twice or only once? In my opinion, that bear had had his azz whipped up a tree twice before we pulled them......but I realize each of us have a different opinion on about everything....

keep'em treed,
ike

does it count as a tree when you run them out of a bear trap ike

Sorry but I don't have any expertise in running bears out of a bear trap and have never seen it done. However, if that bear is ran to a tree because of the dogs and then climbs that tree I'd have to say yes, that is a treed bear! Personally I don't understand why the dogs don't get credit or the bear isn't counted because the hunter doesn't make it to the tree, I mean seriously? If those dogs work several hours and push a bear to the wood, and hold it there for a couple hours for the slow poke hunter to arrive, and then the bear climbs down after he's rested for two hours the dogs aren't suppose to get any credit?????

And like I have already said, most solid bear packs will continue to run that bear to other trees until that bear is done. I realize there are places like swamps and thick brush that may give the bear a leg up because of his strength but in open ground that beart is in for a rough, long day (and night).

WOW!

ike

Ike this is my reason for not counting a caught bear that is treed , that you can see treed from 50-100 + yards away or more and that is many bears just cannot take the pressure of humans and will come down now if those dogs cannot hold that bear then that bear is not caught.

My first year hunting I had really young dogs ( first season ) went a few times with other guys caught a couple bears and then i went out and did it myself with just my dogs.
I had a couple bears that would run and bay fight climb rest and just as I got there it would bail those bear would do this 4-8 or more times in a day till they finaly stayed up yes those dogs treed that bear 4-8 times but they only caught it once. Least that is how i figure it.

And that's OK that you have your own opinion on what a treed bear is Smiley, just like it's OK that I have my own. But realize that I have lived long enough that my ideas and observations in life were make after much thought and nobody is gonna change them. You or somebody else can share some of your experiences with us and I can or will always listen, but it doesn't change what I have seen and what I have come to believe through those experiences.

Personally, my thoughts are that the runs you spoke about tells me your dogs treed that bear four to eight time but finally whipped it's azz an it gave out on the last tree--but that bear was treed every time it climbed, period!

And thanks for helping prove my point, and that is bears don't usually get away from tough, hard running bears dogs they just go hide somewhere else after they've rested up.........

keep'em treed,
ike

I suppose if you were a coon hunter Ike then you would count a coon treed even if your dogs wouldnt stay long enough for you to get there. I dont care to split hairs but my point is that there are most likely bears out there that flat ass cant even be caught let alone treed/bayed and then run again and again and again. Keep enjoyin the koolaid Ikester.

Dan Edwards wrote:I suppose if you were a coon hunter Ike then you would count a coon treed even if your dogs wouldnt stay long enough for you to get there. I dont care to split hairs but my point is that there are most likely bears out there that flat ass cant even be caught let alone treed/bayed and then run again and again and again. Keep enjoyin the koolaid Ikester.

Don't try and turn this into a "if my dogs wouldn't stay deal" Dan, cause they'll stay as long as any hound you ever owned will stay buds................

And keep smokin the whacky tobaccie Dan,
ike