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catdog360 wrote: My dad will cull a dog for cheating and leaving a track to catch back up to the front.

Tell him if he gets anymore pups like that to send em my way. If my running pups don't do that I don't want a damn thing to do with em cuz facts of life are all dogs are gonna get tossed out now and then. They best figure out how to get their butts back in and get back in fast cuz if they don't they will literally be miles behind in a matter of minutes. When you are only running 2 dogs at a time on coyotes you dang sure want both of them there when they happen to get lucky enough to catch one.

Dads dogboy wrote:Mr. Dan, it is sure good to have you back contributing with your wisdom and sense of Humor!

Thank you sir. Good to be back.

Mr. Dan, those pups come over to my kennels. I personally feel the way you do. But dad feels that is wrong. If it gets thrown out then it loses out on the fun. But it can't cheat at the game. My dad loves terriers and I asked him once why don't you bear hunt with terriers and he simply said you have to bear hunt with hounds, that's just the way you do it.

I really like the running style of dogs and I believe that there are tree dogs that hunt just like a running dog. But it was easier for me to get that style I was looking for in a running cross then to search for the tree dog that had that trait.

It really is a style preference than anything. To some people numbers don't mean a thing, style means everything.

Why is it Dewey is allowed to belittle others, but if anyone gets feed up enough to take a shot back then they are labeled as being jealous? I have been ask this many times by others. If this is suppose to be a thread about running dogs only, why did you not jump Dewey for insulting the ability of blue ticks? My first meeting with Dewey, he explained he was having a tough time & I tried to help him out. Yes I have doubts if he was honest in his dealings with me then, but was not going to hold that against him. Dewey talks about all needing to unite, right after he has tried to insult someone. I, for one, will never unite with an association that has a vice president with Dewey/s way of thinking what game conservation means. I could care less which breed of hound is best suited for hunting bobcat. Trying to be polite and treat people right has to go both directions. If Dewey were to become your neighbor and continue his thinking on how to conserve bobcat, how long would you be defending him? Al

I will heed advice from a friend, and remain quiet.




Take care, Willie

Willie say what ever you feel. Al

Dads dogboy wrote: I must add for Mr. Al that MORE Bobcat are TREED every year by RUNNING Walkers in TWO State on the East Coast than are Treed by TREEBRED Hounds of all breeds in all the other States where it is Legal to hunt Bobcat put together!

The question is.....do those running Walkers KNOW they treed the cat ?

true blue, i think i can answer that question.....Yeah there are alot that know they treed it, and will stay there til you drag them away. I dont run a ton of cats, im a fox hunter at heart, and the cats, usually the ones we jump get caught on the ground, but the 2 that went up a tree this winter the dogs were right there underneath both tree, letting us know they were there, same with the only 2 grey foxes i ran last year that climbed a tree instead of going in a hole, hounds right there at them treeing. And i dont think i have great tree dogs in comparison to some running dogs ive had the pleasure to have hunted with.
Perk

I've had a few running dogs that would tree pretty damn good "for a running dog." I would say the majority of mine though I don't think would ever tree but who knows maybe they would if there was a few other dogs treeing ya know. I honestly couldn't tell ya but a few of my dogs have treed daytime coon and what not. I hate that when they do stuff like that though cuz its a waste of a turn out for me.

perk wrote:true blue, i think i can answer that question.....Yeah there are alot that know they treed it, and will stay there til you drag them away.

I learn something new everyday. I did not know that there was a high percentage of pure running dogs that make good locating tree dogs. I always thought they were probably like my terriers or my buddies beagles who tree great if they see it climb or can easily see it in a tree but they sure aren't locating tree dogs.

I would love to see some running Walkers come and locate and tree in the Big timber of the North West, Not saying its impossible just would love to see it. As for running dog vs Tree dog each his own. I feel where I live and hunt jump speed is the name of the game. Each area you hunt is gonna require something from what I have seen. Thats just area then you talk about state's every state is gonna have different dogs needed and in that state different area's are gonna need different dogs. I know a few over the top succesful hunters who run the running dog cross but they have another breed in there to locate then you have John down the road who is only hunting with tree bred dogs who is putting up the same numbers. Now when you go to the eastern states you guys are talking the running walker's can tree well hec your tree's arent very tall I would hope they could locate. The East coast guys talk about 3 hour races and what not, Well I can say if I was always having these long races I would find other dogs. If it's taking 3 hours to catch a cat on the ground or to tree it then there is alot wrong in your race. Not much pressure is being put on. I catch most my cat's 10 to 20 minutes when jumped any longer then there is a good chance that cat aint gonna be caught I do catch quite a few around the 30- 45 minute mark, but not nearly as much as I do at earlier times. Dogs that run clean jumped are gonna catch more cats hands down then anything I feel most everyone will agree on that. Now if your out to hear a good long race well sounds like you got the right dogs and each to there own. I have never hunted Florida and georgia so Im not gonna say there cats are like anywhere else. I have hunted the mountains of Virginia and just about every part of West Virginia them boys there said the same thing thing cats run hard cant catch them. I caught over 85 percent I turned out on thats a new area for these dogs I dont feel like there the best but they put pressure on game. Not many people run Cat in West Virginia that I saw and most the reason why is they cant be caught. i feel they were just running coon dogs and not cat dogs... What Im saying is any breed will get it done as long as its the right dog for that area

Trueblue wrote: I did not know that there was a high percentage of pure running dogs that make good locating tree dogs.

Umm, I don't think there are many tree dogs that are good locators. Most of them tree, but they are far from a locator.

I think that if you gave a good dog man 100 dogs of tree/running dog variety and let him do the sorting to what catches game in his/her area, he'd get the job done. It might not get to elite levels, but there would be critters on the tailgate. There is much debate as to what type of "stuff" is any of our dogs. And regardless of fancy papers/records only a handful of guys really take the time to trace back lineage and keep it straight. How does that old saying go, "we really only know who the mother is"

There are lots of stuff with an engine in it that'll go 60 mph. But a mountain sled ain't gonna do you much in the everglades. It sound good in bar talk, but you better hit the kill switch before it goes under the water. Most know what it takes to get something caught in their country, and a lot of guys are always trying something new to see if it'll pan out. Some do find a gem but most only find disappointment. We've got about the most varied conditions/terrain on the planet across this country and the same critter will live in about all of them. Dogs don't live long enough for us to test them out to see if they'd be great everywhere. Plus nobody I know has the money find that out.

Quick statement as I keep checking in on this post.

Why do I like the running style. Their pack instincts. Watch some video of fox hunting and watch how fast the pack back up after a lose. That is one instinct that is locked in.

If you hunted young tree bred dogs with there mother you'll see the same thing...

merlo_105 wrote:If you hunted young tree bred dogs with there mother you'll see the same thing...

What happens when you run em with their dad?