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Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:52 pm**

Snow cat tracks are like farts. When a cats foot comes out of the snow the scent that isnt hung up in hole is at the mercy of the elements around it. Same as when a fart comes out of the hole it is at the mercy of the elements also. At some point they both are gone. Now if you were to stick your nose in each of the holes you would damn sure smell it!!!!!! Think on that one for awhile Andy lmao!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:57 pm**

You are clever LOL

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:09 pm**

Well speaking of farts I'm eating bean soup the whole week before I'm headed your direction see ya on the 21st I'm sure you'll wind me about Portland lol. Oh and im bringing a couple of my beagles!!!!Andy

Posted: **Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:07 pm**

dwalton wrote:Mark I think you are right on when we have a inversion going on out here. Tanner when we have a high we get inversion in the valleys with heavy fog and air stagnation. By going up in elevation you get above the fog, usually clear and warmer. I will not hunt in heavy fog because I will not get many starts off the rig or on the ground. The best example that I had of heavy fog was bird hunting with two of the best pointing dogs I have ever had the chance to hunt behind. We hunted all morning in a inversion with heavy fog from ground level up to about ten feet not one bird located. While eating lunch the fog dispersed, clearing a sunny. We went back through the same fields and got several points. There are several factors that effect scent conditions that are hard to explain for me but I have seen that the dogs have a hard time with. Here's the other thing that is mind boggling I have seen dogs that I considered not cold trailers make ones that I thought were out preform the ones that usually did well at times depending on the conditions. So whats going on there? Something I believe is that the ability to cold trails has very little to do with catching game. That heart, desire, brains and you could go on and on are far more important in treeing game than how cold nosed a dog is. A lot of good thoughts here to think about guys. Mark I been thinking about running the snowshoes in the off season also to keep the dogs in shape. How hard is it to get them to switch back to cats in the fall? Dewey

I thought this was a good place to post this since i run hare more then anything else nowadays. my beagle pack isnt particularly trashy, they dont run off game except for cats. im not sure why they choose cats as there trash, but they do. i would assume because i hunt in cat country, which is hare country as well. I know guys talk a lot about the speed it takes to catch a cat a lot on this site, and how tough it is on the west coast.
I have had my dogs put up a few bobcats last season here in the thick northern oregon coast range. They are faster then the average cottontail style beagle, and run head up in the right conditions, but nothing compared to the speed of the average big hound. They seem to make quick work out of a track considering they dont drift a track or over run one.
They also didnt seem to have any problem in the tight circling a cat does since that is how most hare races go.
the pack has zero tree instinct in them, they leave and find a hare after a few minutes. but it was bazaar the first time i seen a cat in a tree with beagles milling around under it.
With the slower speed and i would think lack of pressure, how is it a 100% beagle pack can put a cat up?

Posted: **Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:46 pm**

I have treed bobcats with Beagles,Jack Russels,a buddys irish setter,and with pickups. I figure about 90% of the cats around here are easy to catch. Its the other 10% that i live for.

Brian i re read my post and want to explain better. I grew up with beagles as a kid and we were in the woods just about everyday hunting and fishing and everything else kids use to do lol. Those little buggers will run everything,i would coon hunt em at nite and one nite they were running in a big briar patch hard and fast. I had that coon on the stretching board drying when i heard a Chiny Rooster go to cackling! Walked into bayed up bucks many times to get em. They treed a couple cats on these excursions, had one that would tree briefly so if you were close you could get to him. When i got my DL i tried hunting cats with them and bear. When put on tracks in the snow they finished very few tracks they started. I think the success they had on cats was due to the element of surprise when they climbed in bed with a cat while they were looking for anything to run. I watched some of the rabbit videos on here and my beagles seemed to run more heads up and faster than what i saw in the videos. One thing for certain, they provided me with a lot of fun and learned knowledge and i wouldnt trade it for anything.

Posted: **Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:42 pm**

Mark you are a better trainer than I, I have only treed them with pickups, airedales,labs and myself. Brian it does not take a fast dog to tree bobcats it takes a good track dog. I new a guy that caught 25 bobcats with a beagle that would tree in one winter. I have known a few 1\2 beagles that were pretty good bobcat dogs. It just amazes me so many people have so much trouble treeing bobcats. Just maybe it's not about the dogs so much? Or they are treeing them and the dogs and they don't know it? Or maybe they are not running bobcats? Each to their own Dewey

Posted: **Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:26 am**

Dewey, The right dogs for bobcats, makes catching bobcats seem easy. Anybody that tries hard enough and is willing to admit faults in dogs & is willing to cull can get to catching bobcats consistently with enough effort. Most of us remember when treeing a bobcat was a special treat. If you have dogs that when you turn on a bobcat you expect to catch it you should never forget how it used to be and treasure what you have.

Posted: **Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:03 am**

dhostetler: You are right the first bobcat is something special. My first has been on my wall for 50 years, the first one each season brings memories back also. Hound men are a independent bunch of people that all want to do it themselves, which is a good thing but you sure can learn from someone if you keep open minded, listen and see whats truly going on. I had one of my best season this year with the fewest bobcats treed in many years hunting with a young man with 25 years of hound hunting wanting to learn about bobcat hunting. I like to share what I think be it right or wrong in someone else's opinion. I was lucky as a young man hunting with some top hunters, with dogs that made it look easy and very seldom did not catch their game. Once you have seen whats possible with a good dog you just can't settle for anything less. Good hunting Dewey

Posted: **Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:20 am**

A old cat hunter i have a ton of respect for told me a few months ago that when you have the right dogs all you need to do to catch more cats is to hunt more.

Posted: **Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:51 am**

I got started by an older hound guy, at that point he was mainly a lion hunter and he dogs weren't the greatest at that point in his older life but I learned a lot from him. He was really big into staying as close to the dogs as possible and figuring out where the game was headed. Now a days with GPS younger guys are glued to there screens. I consider it an accomplishment to see game crossing the road in front of dogs. It can be terribly crushing to think you are having a great bear race and they bring a moose or coyote across. Guys glued to there screen would never realize it.

Posted: **Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:51 pm**

dwalton wrote:Mark you are a better trainer than I, I have only treed them with pickups, airedales,labs and myself. Brian it does not take a fast dog to tree bobcats it takes a good track dog. I new a guy that caught 25 bobcats with a beagle that would tree in one winter. I have known a few 1\2 beagles that were pretty good bobcat dogs. It just amazes me so many people have so much trouble treeing bobcats. Just maybe it's not about the dogs so much? Or they are treeing them and the dogs and they don't know it? Or maybe they are not running bobcats? Each to their own Dewey

I guess i found it strange that my beagles treed more cats then all the years i had big hounds, i only hunted bear and coon with big hounds, but even then its not like i beat them off cats, they just never really seemed to tree many.

here is a few clips of my beagles style/speed. i know on a cat they are faster, but not much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_32s-KL ... tml5=False

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBmfavI ... tml5=False

Posted: **Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:07 pm**

Thanks for the entertainment, those are some nice voices. Where did you get stock of beagles? Al

Posted: **Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:41 pm**

As far as I'm concerned the way they handled that road was pretty damn good. I got some small runnin dogs that I think it would be cool to cross into some of them dogs. I seen a brindle gyp this winter that has a touch of beagle dog in her sizzle a coyote track but only a touch.

Posted: **Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:53 am**

Dan E. Pm me your phone number,i have a video i want to send you and get your opinion on it. (If you want to)

Posted: **Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:37 am**

al baldwin wrote:Thanks for the entertainment, those are some nice voices. Where did you get stock of beagles? Al

about 1/2 of them are from out here, the rest are from Michigan/Wisconsin hare dogs.

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