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Cold Track,

I share your frustration and i too get sick of deer and elk hunters going on and on about livestock in the mountains. The livestock industry is the business that I knew first and love best and anybody that knows me can tell you that I am all about helping good ranchers and livestock folks. The livestock folks are not to blame for the shape a lot of the mountain ranges are these days it's the damn beuarocrats and gov. agencies. Good greif half of the western mountains liked to burned up this year because of poor forestry practices. If you can find an old photo of a section of mountains in the west that has been used for stock from say the earlier part of the 20th. century and then compare it with a photo of the same section today you will see some startling differences. When proper logging and burning were mananged you would see many open park areas with standing large trees and grass for critters to eat, but today about the only controlled burning that is done is an out of control wild fire that is left to burn everything including the big trees out and then you end up with a whole mountains side of trash brush and scrub trees sucking up all the moisture and very little actual grazing left. True cattle and sheep eat grass and don't have the impact on deer who are browsers but they do impact the elk feed to some extent however elk are free rangers and will move to the best feed sources. I do not condone over grazing of any section of land but once again the Gov. Agencies prove they really don't care if you will look at an area close to me the western section of the Carson National Forest. Elk numbers have dropped off recently due to over grazing but it is not from rancher's cattle it is from an out of control wild horse herd that is currently at a level four times of what even they say the area can hold. But once again common sense was thrown out the window and the killer markets were stopped due to bleeding hearts and we have horses runing out our ears. So where is the logic these days I ask you? It sure beats me.....

Coldtrack, I completely agree with you and share your frustration with the way people act regarding public lands although I think for the most part people understand the land is for all of us, except for people with quads that don't hunt with hounds!

Mike, you hit the nail on the head with the "management" of our lands or lack there of. We lost quite a bit of land this year in AZ. Damn near burned the Mogollon Rim in half.

Zach

Grzyadms4x4 wrote:Pops, those are some pretty tough dogs from the sound of it. I wonder if one could raise them with your hounds to possibly help protect them from the wolf problems in the northern states.
Zach

it might work, BUT they might also try to "protect" your dogs from invited guest & other peoples dogs that you run into while out running. hard to say. but i think their big frames & attitude might be nice to breed some big hounds from that can protect themselves.

Sounds to me that people need to start being pickier with their guardian dogs. I own a Great Pyrenees. Love her best dog I have ever owned. I don't own sheep or ranch. my sister has a small very small herd of goats. She naturally guards them. Loves everyone and every dog that gets near her unless they pose a threat to her people or them damn goats. On the same note coyote comes close lets just say it dont take minutes. Just a few Seconds. Of course she grew up with a spastic pitbull. But I would guarantee her dometic dog safe unless it messed with something she is supposed to protect. She dont chase anything lets it get close then gets ahold of it. Started chasing yotes out of the yard at 5 months lived in ND then. Now in MI still don't let one get in the yard. Problem is they take pups and put them with the Sheep instead of socialing them a little and then letting them learn what they need to protect. I won't have a goat you have to rope. Sounds like a feral dog to me. I believe a lead pill is the best way to handle that.

I've been hearing more and more about this guardian dog called the "caucasian ovcharka"
The really interesting thing i've been hearing is that it's been a 100% working breed for hundreds of years. Read some information on them and it specifcally said that if it doesnt get trained it will exhibit ferocious and unmanageble tendencies.
Sounds like a real deal guardian.

Major

Major wrote:I've been hearing more and more about this guardian dog called the "caucasian ovcharka"
The really interesting thing i've been hearing is that it's been a 100% working breed for hundreds of years. Read some information on them and it specifcally said that if it doesnt get trained it will exhibit ferocious and unmanageble tendencies.
Sounds like a real deal guardian.

Major

some truth but some hype too

I seen a show about that dog a few years ago. They compared it to a loaded 45 with no safety. Never seen one or knew anyone with one.