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I have absolutely no personal experience with them. Of course I have heard all the rumors though. I have heard that they cant run a track which I dont believe to be entirely true. I have heard that they have coon dog bred into them which I believe but dont entirely believe it. I cant see why that would hurt them at all. I have also heard that Croghan dogs are not really even a strain cause mostly the man, I think Bill Croghan but not sure was just a dog seller. Who knows. Julys are supposed to be faster overall than Walkers but have less bottom. I also dont believe that to be true entirely. A good dog is where you find him.

Thunderboltkennels wrote:well we are talking about running dogs here chasing fast game so the treeing of game has little to do with this. There are many fox type dogs that can and will tree in all the strains of hounds out there. but when you start talking about the july, walker, goodman and such they are just breed to differant standards and are used on differant game and Ceicel i understud about half of what you were trying to get across to me.

I`ve owned fox hounds like Calhounds.Bigug Stride Flagg Tailed Runnen Walkers, Ga./Maryland Julys,Triggs and of course crosses of full runnen dogs x full coon dogs made crosses ! and also full Coon dog breeds of hounds,
My calhounds was regestered in Hunters Horn regestry and I`ve had Boosher Triggs and Doc Boatwright runnen walkers & Ga./Marly. Julys he ran on coyote and we used em on varmitt hunting (coon, gray fox, big northern red fox, bobcats ,bear, lion) Every fox hound I`ve owned but 2 learned too tree and was whole-in-the-wind-spped and caught practly everything on the ground causr game isent use too that calaber of drive and it makes em put their tail up high and run out and down into a death spyrell or strieght line out and run down into the ground and killed/ ya hear the fox squeel and the bobcats squall/snarl and also be just as quickly dead !Fast game will not hardly tree up over a blazeing speed close track heads-up front end hound !







































This is why and only why I went back too slower dogs because the give the game at least to deside if it wants too take up a tree !And, them real fast type houds run so quickly and deadly fast on track that ya can`t run em with lesser dogs/ it will pull all the hound out of the lesser hound and he will get trowed plum out up on the road and quite! The lesser hound can`t take the pullen either it ends his correar usuall !



treeing Walkers, Plotts, Redbones,American Blueticks, Black & Tan Coon Hounds and English Coon hounds . (do ya follow me so far )?

I know for a fact that what you call lesser hounds cannot run with these running dogs. Alot of people think they have seen fast track dogs and so did I until I have seen some of these fast running dogs. I have seen running dogs put down that in 5 minutes the lesser hounds as you call them would have no idea which way they went. Nobody wants to believe it but its true.

Dan Edwards wrote:I know for a fact that what you call lesser hounds cannot run with these running dogs. Alot of people think they have seen fast track dogs and so did I until I have seen some of these fast running dogs. I have seen running dogs put down that in 5 minutes the lesser hounds as you call them would have no idea which way they went. Nobody wants to believe it but its true.

Thank you, nuff said !

Man I'm glad to hear that you run you're beagles on more than rabbits!
Here is my beagle Bruce. He runs hare, roedeer, redfox, red deer, moose and in between he'll bay a badger...

2 red foxes in a day


3 roedeers in a lucky day


Bruce's first red fox 7 months and 3 days old


Roe deer after a first class 2 hour run.

I get you now. I understand what you are talking about we had some grade dogs that could not handle being pulled around by the speed demons we are running now.

"Every fox hound I`ve owned but 2 learned too tree and was whole-in-the-wind-spped and caught practly everything on the ground causr game isent use too that calaber of drive and it makes em put their tail up high and run out and down into a death spyrell or strieght line out and run down into the ground and killed/ ya hear the fox squeel and the bobcats squall/snarl and also be just as quickly dead !Fast game will not hardly tree up over a blazeing speed close track heads-up front end hound ! This is is why and only why I went back too slower dogs because the give the game at least to deside if it wants too take up a tree !"

Am I reading this right Cecil? Your saying that your dogs were so fast that a cat or a fox didn't have a chance to tree, even if they wanted to. Then you got rid of that strain of dogs and got slower ones so game had a chance?

kickemall wrote:"Every fox hound I`ve owned but 2 learned too tree and was whole-in-the-wind-spped and caught practly everything on the ground causr game isent use too that calaber of drive and it makes em put their tail up high and run out and down into a death spyrell or strieght line out and run down into the ground and killed/ ya hear the fox squeel and the bobcats squall/snarl and also be just as quickly dead !Fast game will not hardly tree up over a blazeing speed close track heads-up front end hound ! This is is why and only why I went back too slower dogs because the give the game at least to deside if it wants too take up a tree !"

Am I reading this right Cecil? Your saying that your dogs were so fast that a cat or a fox didn't have a chance to tree, even if they wanted to. Then you got rid of that strain of dogs and got slower ones so game had a chance?

Its like this, I have had a few hounds that could (run not trail) a cold track as good as (some) not all coondogs run a fresh track !When the hounds got in a race now, the coon dogs had fell out and quiet ! The game (gray fox or bobcat ) had never been drove befor in their dog experiences ; and they realized they better just hall BALLs if they was goen too live and there was no pattern set, no fancytrixs they hit the brush and lined-out for their lives (PDQ) ! You`d hear the fox scream as the 2 dogs closed ground in no more than 200-400 yds and make the kill ! The bobcats tryed too set a pattern and might get 1 turn around and get freaked and spyrell down into a death wish and get killed same way ! When you put grayhound speed on game they forget all aboutlooken too tree up 90 percent of the time/ (exception coon will treeright then and now) .

The above sounds real good hua, boy we all wan`t that kind of bragg dog/ WRONG !!!?You will try em and at first, oh hell ya this is it ! WOW !!! Then when ya want too hunt with anyone ya tell em about the game your dogs rundown an kill all week long they think your BSing em or slighting ole red or blackie or tex (their kept hounds . They start talking well lets take them world beaters up and drop the tailgate/ I havent never seen a dogthat fast and I want too see what my dogs do vs your new dogs ?Huummm?

Ya go over too their house an its darkthirty and shoot itlooks like ahound club meetingthere hast too be 6-9 hunten rigs in his yard and you thought you was goen alone with him just for the hunt .Ya go up knock on the door and his wife invites ya in and theres all these hunters ya don`t know cause your new too the area and they say he isTHE KING and nobody has a hound as quick on the frontend of a foxor cat that this guys dog ! So I say its goen too be fun ya got a place we can find a willey old black legged hill fox or bobcat that is real hard too get a fresh runnen track for the dogs too then burn on ?The hunter has a big smile on his face and said oh I think so Jack.They all want too go see this, and I say my two hounds is littermates and just now 18 months old, I don`t want too put these 2 pups on theground witha bunch of strange dogs this soon ! They say were not bringing any dogs just goen too watch his dog and your two gyps burn up the night .

So its a carravan about 50 miles up into the foothills along a dry creek bed andits Aug. and hot out at 10 pm still !What happens is exactly as I described in how the 2 gyps un and it tosses that good 4 yr old solo gray fox dog solo bobcat dog, solo coon dog out and too the road and he starts barking at his owner because hes getting a woopen for quiteing the track he started and my 2 was dumped out on .The man the next week carryshis dog over too a hunten buddies over on the coast and sells him but don`t say why ?! Everyone is shocked that these 2 42 lb gyps flew like that and it was just OVER !

So I`ve got a fast dog reputation like the village gun shooter now, and get phone calls from hunters every new weekas far away as150 miles wanten too meet up in the oods friday or saturday night and they say bring your check book cause I wantto bet 500 dollars on whos dog will be leading the race !Ya go and take a new friend and your 2 gyps and some hot roddwith a pack is sitting there in his shinny new 4x4 putruck and fancy rigg box in the bed with maybe 5 hounds and the money hits the hood and your in for looseing or makeing $ 500.00 ! Ok ya shame em but dont say a word except/ thank you !They never call back,they never say nothen but go gather ther dogs an leave aruptly !

Pretty soon ya can`t find no one too hunt with period, your 2 young gyps have pulled some of the better fox an cat dogs on the coast range mtns and the rest is too smart too have that happen too their dogs cause they understand fox dog burning speed and toned that speed down so in heir hunting the game runs a pattern then trees up and we all like going too the tree/ least I do anyways .

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Dan Edwards wrote:I have absolutely no personal experience with them. Of course I have heard all the rumors though. I have heard that they cant run a track which I dont believe to be entirely true. I have heard that they have coon dog bred into them which I believe but dont entirely believe it. I cant see why that would hurt them at all. I have also heard that Croghan dogs are not really even a strain cause mostly the man, I think Bill Croghan but not sure was just a dog seller. Who knows. Julys are supposed to be faster overall than Walkers but have less bottom. I also dont believe that to be true entirely. A good dog is where you find him.

Dan why don`t ya post us a long posting of what your hunting is like when your dogs get the tailgate droped-on-em ?You might keep us intertained about some dog power that is well worth hearing about.To me I don`t care the color,breed type, hunter himself or rig or car he hunts out of I focuse-in on his dogs and if their good-ens I like too more an more about his dogs running ! If their the fastest great lets hear it, if there not that terrably fast but catch an tree up game alot/ like them too by gum !

Cecil,

To be honest sir, like everybody else, it just depends. The one thing I can guarantee you though everytime them doors open and them big long legged shaggy sumbitches bolt out is this. Its gonna get western in a hurry and fast and furious is puttin it lightly.

I know on cyote they can run well over 60 hrs if the cyote misses his switch and will run him down into the ground or die tryen ! If there only 1 cyote and no 2 ed cyote too relay on the dogs so the 1 st cyote can rest a while/ that cyote cant run 6 hrs in front even if they catch him here an they along the chase and fight and he runs again/ they will stop him ! I`m talken bout a big dog cyote not some 20 lbe job !

Hey Cecil J. Last week I sent you a p.m. Did ya get it???

Dan have you got any runnin dogs that run, catch and tree bears?