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I give my chilcotin treeing piss hounds away to hunters and charge some for ones that will be pets. I would like to be able to see how each pup is hunting, but the fact is most guys don't hunt that much so I never get much useful info back. The next litter I will try and get the pups into the hands of some more serious hunters as it is the feedback I am really looking for not the $$$

Placing pups in the right homes can be a huge battle. It takes a while on average to find people who have enough knowledge and capabilities to evaluate the pups as they progress through life. We just had a litter of 13 this weekend, eight are already reserved and going to hunting homes, the other 5 are going to be a battle finding someone who can do them justice.

Bluefloyd wrote:Not trying to redirect the thread but have question.
Do you guys think that if someone is paying a high dollar amount for a pup, the warranty should be better? After all it is proven crosses that bring in the better money. Of course I am aware of all the ways people can screw up a hound but if they were to give it a honest try and it still does not turn out, or a genetic flaw?
And I would think that a high dollar investment would carry a better warranty than say your run of the mill crosses. But just in my short dealings with hound purchasing, it seams that the guys that offer there pups for the premier price are a bit hesitant on a refund or replace.
Just a thought.

I presonally think guarantees on pups is crazy. They BUYER assumes the risk and knows it's his win, or loss. I also think a breeder who would dare give a guarantee is nut too cause like the above posts say, you never know what a guy will actually do with a pup...I wouldn't trust most guys

a buyer is putting his trust in you when he shells out big money for a hound pup. he or she paid more because they thought they were getting better odds.or else they would have gone with average priced pups .its the buyer who should not trust anybody if thats the case there the only ones that are gonna lose after the money changes hands. why couldnt a seller ask average price for pups and sell a guarantee for extra if you want it . i think it would be a win win for both parties .

I wouldn't really consider myself a true breeder. I've bred two litters, sold a couple pups from those, sold a couple pups I obtained, and have studed my male out and will help them place the pups...

I ask what I feel is a reasonable price, and what people are willing to pay. I've had a lot of people wanting pups, and not a lot of pups. I want them to go to the best homes possible, so I'm going to be selective. I don't know where people say they can get by taking care of pups for cheap. But at the lowest cost possible I am into each pup $110 NOT counting food. Dewclaws, shots (done and recorded by a vet) deworming, microchipping, heartworm prev, flea and tick medication, litter apps, xrays on the Mom beforehand, and the list goes on... My current litter is 4 pups. I sold ONE for $400. So at $110+ per pup, I lost out. But I'm not complaining. They all have good homes, and I got a pup that I really wanted.

On the Guarantee deal, I have always had somewhat of one on ANY dog that leaves my yard. I will buy any dog back for what was paid, and I will replace ANY pup with another as long as the pup and papers are all returned to me to be handled accordingly. I don't care if the pup is a flat out cull, or just didn't suit the owner for some reason. Once I get it back I can judge it and cull or place it as needed.. I can honestly say, I've never had to do it yet. I know there are a few people that said once they try a dog out of a line/cross, they don't want another. For those people I will refund HALF the puppy price, so long as the dog is culled. That way I know the dog isn't being passed around, and the person didn't loose out completely. I wont refund full money, cause like it's been said, you never know exactly what kind of chance a person is giving it, AND when you buy a puppy your taking a chance... But these are just my veiws, and I would hope to receive the same kind of treatment - though thats not always been the case.

I have a litter on the way. this will be the fourth time I did the same cross. I sold some of my first litter for 100 apeice, kept a couple, and gave the rest to everybody I hunt with.(she always has twelve). The ones I sold I never kept track of , but the ones I gave to people all made lead dogs over time. the next litter I sold them for 200 a peice and ended up keepin 6 for myself. I kept track of the ones I sold and all turned out. The ones I kept were on fire and all would catch and tree by themselves. I ended up getting laid off and had to sell 4 of those cuz I couldn't afford to feed them or me at the time. Back on my feet I had litter # 3. sold all but two and they all turned out awesome. With batch # four on the ground I feel like I have seen everything that is thrown when I lock these two up. to me that is my definition of proven. both parents trail, catch, and tree. all pups that I have kept over the years are exellent, and all the pups sold have made the people happy. This go round I will ask 250. I also agree with whoever said buy them back if people are not happy. I would rather buy one back and eat that money then burn somebody and ruin your name.(who knows back at my kennel they might learn the drill) I think the cap should be set at about 300. because much higher than that you can buy started dogs which isn't always better, but that's how we catagorize them pup, started, and finished.I'm not really in it for the money, but I like a couple up and coming pups at all times and the rest, I would like to think that me being in the feild a couple times a week all year is what made this line what it is and for that a small reward of 250.

It sounds like Houndnems thinking is right on to me. As the cross proved to be a good one with each litter, the price can/should go up a little. With the past litters there to verify it is worth the expense. Once a couple litters are on the ground, a potential buyer can ask around, do a little research. If a majority of the pups are still around and performing well, the potential buyer can have a little more confidence in the cross. With likelihood of pups turning out, the chance of your money being wasted goes down. It is worth spending an extra hundred bucks.

I do not have the track record with past litters. Therefore I wouldn't be interested in charging for pups, even though they came out of good dogs. You just don't know how successful the cross is until the pups are old enough to prove themselves. I bred one of my best dogs to the best male I could find. Only two of the six puppies are still around. How could I justify charging when I don't know how the cross will work?

I think that brings up one of the most important questions when looking at high priced pups. How have the past litters turned out? If it is a first time cross, I don't think the pups should be priced more than $100, no matter how good the parents are.

I think is "REALITY" not internet......if we are being honest with ourselves, the majority of us have ruined way more pup then we will make into top notch hounds.

I agree with alot that has been said.....but most of us don't live the life style to turn pups into a superstar hound. Even if the pup has all the components they need, we are still in their way. I personally think there are more cull hound owners then cull pups, regardless on what you payed for them. Just my own opinion.

I have a couple friends that hunt for a living and have littermates to my dogs. Their dogs are 100 times better then mine....and they didn't just get lucky and pick the right pups. They are able to use their dog and that is where the cream rises to the top......not sittin on the end of a chain talkin about.....he's out of ole so and so.

Good hunters, houndsmen, guides.....whatevere you wanna call them will always have good dogs period. That is what drives them and how some of them put food on the table. The rest of us will just keep livin the dream and i myself am ok with that.

Poser, said a mouth full, I agree with him, the other thing to add to this,are you breeding for just cats, or bear, or lion? My goal is to breed, top bear dogs, and dam good cat dogs to, a big challenge, to own a combination line of dogs, so how serious and how much time effort and money did you stick into your dogs to get your line, to produce. Example, I have shipped a dog from lines from east coast to west, and south, try them, see if they fit me, for an outcross, then after hunting them, cull or sell them and start all over, they wasnt what I was looking for, ship in another line, raise them up and try again. Well, you wont buy them cheap if proven lines, then add 400 dollars shipping. What about driving from WI, to BC, to breed your bitch to a good line?. So between costs, phone calls, efforts to find the best possible line to fit me, I dont even want to start to add it up. Then breed the lines, with high turn outs, and a guy wants to give me 200 dollars a pup for twenty years of my personal efforts, and my grandfathers, before me

Not to say a free or cheap pup wont hunt or be a good dog. But to produce, speed, feet, tree, rigg, hair, stamina, grit, nose power,early starters, just to name a few, is a challenge for all of us, and when you can get this combination, sell it for 200 dollars, your nuts. You wont be buying mine. I Know how hard it is to produce this kind of line and dog. Guys that have tried all of this, isnt one bit scared, to pay what a pup is worth, for you cheap asses, good luck, been there, done that,if it works for you great, your the one feeding them not me LOL