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Billy,

Was the gun you had a problem with a Marlin in 35 Rem.?
I am trying to figure where the spring tension would be to cause the deformation of the tip to jam up in there. Was it possibly a case of the rifle being inside a truck in the heat and really being hot. I just don't know enough about the properties of that tip to know what it might do in certain extremes.
Mike

Have any of you used a single shot like the NEF 44 Remington Mag.? I have one in my closet that was in my dad's stuff when he passed away...guess it'd be fine if the bear stayed in the tree...I don't know about tight quarters though? Maybe if it was a double like those African Dangerous-game hunters use...LOL!

With a single shot, find a spot to get out of the way, but make a good shot, a .44 mag should do the job just fine, but if you want the king of the .44 cal get your self a .444 it does the job with no questions asked.

Bill,
I was gonna ask ya if you had left them Hornady rounds loaded in the mag for a while, that would cause that tip to deform and posably jam, but thats the only thing I could think of, I dont know how many of those bullets I've shoot, and never had a jam.

Mike and TRC,

The magazine of the gun was loaded about 5:30, I walked into the bay about 5:50. When I saw a big hog and one dog already laying on her side bleeding I decided to shoot the hog, I pulled the lever down and started to bring it back up, it came about 1/2 an inch and stopped, back down, hard, back up, hard(hog is coming fast, everything I do at this point is being done hard), lever stopped again after about an inch, I drop the gun and do my best Wyatt Earp imitation. The hogs momentum carries him into my legs, but he already has two rounds from my .44 in his brain, I shoot him twice more as I am falling, just for luck(at that time I didn't know where my first two shots had gone and I didn't want to be on the ground with a hog that could move at all). The temperature was about 45 degrees. The bullet really was not deformed much at all, it is just that, at least in some of the older marlins, the mag tube is big enough that, if the back of two shells in a row gets over against the same side, the point of the shell in the rear will get between the case rim of the shell in front of it and the mag tube wall, once there it take very little tension from the spring to hold it wedged in place and the only way to clear it is to take the spring out of the other end. I don't know if it can happen with any caliber other than the .35 rem and, like I said, I have run hundreds through that gun previously, with no problems. But I do know that it can happen, and, that if it happens at an inopportune moment, like it did with me, it tends to get your attention.

Maybe I'm just a wimp, but the thought of another encounter like that isn't my idea of fun. I've killed a couple of hundred hogs that were within 3 or 4 feet when I shot, and I've had one unwounded hog make contact with me, but that was the first time I've been knocked down by a hog, and it was not an experience I'd care to repeat.

Bill

You aint no wimp, I dont call that fun either, pissin down my leg LOL, and bein on your back aint the place to be, and anyone who says they aint scared out of the mind when that happens is lieing through there teeth. Ya know I have had trouble with the buffalo bore ammo, no close incounters likie that but, they have jamed on me.

.338 win mag.......loaded up with 250gr. Noslers will knock just about any bear flat! My personal favorite bear medicine.

Well the designation of these new LeverRevolution rounds was in attempt to make a carbine a MEDIUM range game taker. I am not sure if many hogs or bear over hounds are taken at MEDIUM ranges so I would stick to the tried and true Remington Core Loct. and go home happy.

As far as the 338 Winchester Magnum goes, I have rather extensive expereince wit this round. In the world sceme of things this round is considered a light medium, but on the North American playing field this is one of if not the best belted magnum short ( Yes original short) aka 1960's rounds ever developed. With the documented success of the 333 OKH and the 334 and 334 OKH ( Oniel, Keith Hopkins)belted to study winchester took a long look at what Roy Weatherby had done some years before with his wonderful 340 Weatherby Mag. and necked that little belted case out and came up with one of the best big game rounds ever. The 338 Win Mag is a winner. The bastard 300 Winchester Magnum has eclipsed it due to promotion and marketing efforts that put it out in every shape and size and price range of rifle. Do I hate the 300 Winchester Magnum? Not really , it is a short necked marvel that can't come close to the 300 Weatherby in all around efficiency , and the accuracy boys just went ahead and necked the 338 win mag case back to .308 and called it a 30-338 or a 308 Norma and had a better catridge but in the big picture of things little things like this don't mean a lot when you pull the trigger.

I owned if not the first one of the very firsrt Ruger Number one's in the Rocky Mountan west in 338 Win. Mag back in the 1970's . This with a 275 gr. speer bullet was a wicked elk combination and I was jigger and half full of Elmer Keith and his cigar and Stetson every time I pulled the trigger.I saw them elk tumble and roll and I felt like a king. Ofcourse I had seen the same thing with my 270 and 30-06 but that big bang sure makes you feel better anyway. LOL!

.338 Lapua if your gonna go with a .338 thats the round ya need, way better ballistic's the a .338 Rem Mag. But like Mike said, I've never taken a bear or hog that was taken over dogs at more then 50 feet, so 330 Gr .444 does the trick every time. But if ya like the long range stuff like I do, Then here is what I would recamend. .416 Barett, .338 Lapua, .50 BMG Barett model 99 the M95 have to many issues, or a 308 Nitro Express, 308 Norma Mag, and for long range target I like the 300 WSM in a browning A-Bolt, put a Lija Barrel with a 1/10 twist on it and an H&H Muzzle break and get it short throute reamed and you'll have one heck of a riffle.

My granddad is another one who swears by his 7mag, he baught his riffle new in 1963 a Rem 700 BDL in a 7mm Mag. I like the 7mm also, it's still to this day one of the flatest shootin big bore riffles out there. And I think your right, that Bull was a freak thing, cause a .300 Win Mag with a 250Gr bullet has about 1000 Ft-Lbs more conetic energy then a 7mm with a 180Gr. But just like dogs every one has the fave's, I like my .338 Lapua and my wife loves her 270 WSM, my Father-in-law shoot's a 264 Win. Like I told my brother(who thinks he can shoot) but cant, It's all about bullet placement, even if your shootin a 700 Nitro Express and you hit him in the ass, he's gonna run, and run along ways. I have yet to take a Elk with my .338, but I've taken two nice bull's with my M70 .300 Win mag, I shot a buck last year with my Lapua, and it's way to much gun for CA deer, LOL. I took a neck shot and just about decapatated him, and that was at 460 Yds, on the range finder,and it still mangeled a bunch of meat. I think if I were gonna buy a 7mm it will be a Browning A-Bolt 7mm WSM.But I got a .25 WSSM for my deer riffle now.

i have an older marlin lever 30 30 its texas edition or something ---fancy wood -


has a cutout in stock and there a stamped engraving -

i heard they made a few these with a bear and hound scene ----that would be a cool bear gun --

Ike,

The old 300 Weatherby is a very hard gun to beat for anything as Roy would say from jack rabbits to elephants. All the new 300's some may shade it ever so slightly in velocity but at the expense of plenty more powder and kick and there is not one rifleman in a hundred or maybe a thousand that can use that advantage for anything meaningful in the actual hunting field. As much as I love my old tried and true 30-06 Griffen and Howe Sporterized Springfield, and buddy it does shoot sweet, and within reasonable ranges with the right bullets nothing is going to run off very far with a well placed shot. I still would pick the 300 Weatherby for my one gun to hunt the world with. Sort of like Craig Boddington said, you may not need all the steam the 300 Roy has but then again if that trophy of a lifetime gives you just one long last look for way over yonder it is comforting to know that when he gets away it wasn't because your were not packing the right caliber.

Heck it is so hard to draw a tag down here for deer or elk, might as well have a Red Rider BB gun and practice on deer flies.

The only thing that gets on them WBY's is there harsh recoil, and finding ammo were ever you go, and the price of ammo, def need to be reloadin, the same is for the Lapua I shoot, I can't afford to be buyin ammo as much as I shoot it, so I have been reloadin that one as well, brass is hard to find, new or once fired. I cant belive the price of brass these days. I just baught 500 once fired .444 marlin cases and it was like $220, but what I like about them straight neck cases, is you can load'em about 10 times before they get to thin or split, and no trimin or all that junk, just clean reprime and load. If any one has a line on .338 Lapua brass let me know and .308 Norma Mag, .25 WSSM. Thanks