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Your right D.T. Deleted.

Don't forget to thank the people who have supported you, Which appear to be mostly only one side of the political fence
That is also important

Kiwi is right we do have to thank the ones that have voted with us, about 9 out of 10 have been republicans, in the Assembly appropiations it was split right down party lines reps. for us and democrates against us and we are out numbered in the assembly floor about 2 to 1, our best chance now looks to be getting the sanate to vote for us.
AND IF YOU GUY'S CAN'T GET ALONG, THEN YOU MIGHT AS WELL SEND IN YOUR MEMBERSHIP TO THE HSUS !

So does anyone know what is going on with Lieu's promised (As per Assembly Parks/Wildlife hearing) promise to include the ability of the CA Fish and Game Commission to overturn his law by vote?
That is one that we need to stay on top of!
Also I have not had time to do so yet but if someone could make the simple list (fax/phone)of the Assembly members and post it here I know it helps people out because they can print it off easily.
I did not realize it had to go back to the Senate, I think most people don't so everyone needs to write the Senate (look in old posts to get the list), the Assembly and the Governor.
Also do we know a timeframe yet???

To all California houndsmen,

It is very important to thank the ones that were in your corner. However, it is even more important to remind the ones that did not learn anything in the 2010 election. That when the silent majority speaks loud and clear this November. And hopefully the right people get into office. The federal handouts will soon come to an end!! And they will have to swim in their own shit and do the will of the people. And never again will they think that it is more important to worry about the tradition of hunting while the entire economy collapses around them. Please make plenty of phone calls to Mr. Brown who is the chief of all the Indians. And remind him that not only you but an entire country is watching, and that his job is up for reevaluation. And by the way there is no need to sugar coat it for him because I don't believe he gives a damn anyway. And absolutely remind them that the ones that you all didn't get in 2010 that you will catch up with this time.

And also, in regard to the Medicare debate. Each and every one of us has a senior that is dear to us. Please drive the message home, that although the Democratic Party tries to tell you that the money that they pillaged from Medicare to support Obama care will be made up from all the fraud and waste they are going to find. Please ask each and every one of us and every senior that you know, when was the last time that government was good at stopping any kind of fraud and waste!!! (VOTER FRAUD????) Then ask if Mr. Obama has ever lied to us?? Although some may say that this has nothing to do with the bill for bear hunting and Bobcat running. Don't BS yourselves take a good hard look and then do what needs to be done. And remember that if this son of a gun does pass. If we are able to undo Obama care we should surely be able to undo something as trivial as 1221 a bill that was derived from other idiots. When the right people are in charge.

Take care, Willy

These are them the Assembly members the Senate will be posted soon.

Achadjian, Katcho
33
Republican
(916) 319-2033
(805) 549-3381

Alejo, Luis A.
28
Democrat
(916) 319-2028
(831) 759-8676

Allen, Michael
07
Democrat
(916) 319-2007
(707) 546-4500

Ammiano, Tom
13
Democrat
(916) 319-2013
(415) 557-3013

Atkins, Toni
76
Democrat
(916) 319-2076
(619) 645-3090

Beall, Jim
24
Democrat
(916) 319-2024
(408) 282-8920

Berryhill, Bill
26
Republican
(916) 319-2026
(209) 473-6972

Block, Marty
78
Democrat
(916) 319-2078
(619) 462-7878

Blumenfield, Bob
40
Democrat
(916) 319-2040
(818) 904-3840

Bonilla, Susan
11
Democrat
(916) 319-2011
(925) 521-1511

Bradford, Steven
51
Democrat
(916) 319-2051
(310) 412-6400

Brownley, Julia
41
Democrat
(916) 319-2041
(818) 596-4141

Buchanan, Joan
15
Democrat
(916) 319-2015
(925) 328-1515

Butler, Betsy
53
Democrat
(916) 319-2053
(310) 615-3515

Calderon, Charles M.
58
Democrat
(916) 319-2058
(562) 692-5858

Campos, Nora
23
Democrat
(916) 319-2023
(408) 277-1220

Carter, Wilmer Amina
62
Democrat
(916) 319-2062
(909) 820-5008

Cedillo, Gilbert
45
Democrat
(916) 319-2045
(323) 225-4545

Chesbro, Wesley
01
Democrat
(916) 319-2001
(707) 576-2526

Conway, Connie
34
Republican
(916) 319-2034
(559) 636-3440

Cook, Paul
65
Republican
(916) 319-2065
(909) 790-4196

Davis, Mike
48
Democrat
(916) 319-2048
(213) 744-2111

Dickinson, Roger
09
Democrat
(916) 319-2009
(916) 324-4676

Donnelly, Tim
59
Republican
(916) 319-2059
(760) 244-5277

Eng, Mike
49
Democrat
(916) 319-2049
(626) 382-0049

Feuer, Mike
42
Democrat
(916) 319-2042
(310) 285-5490

Fletcher, Nathan
75
Independent
(916) 319-2075
(858) 689-6290

Fong, Paul
22
Democrat
(916) 319-2022
(650) 210-2000

Fuentes, Felipe
39
Democrat
(916) 319-2039
(818) 504-3911

Furutani, Warren T.
55
Democrat
(916) 319-2055
(562) 989-2919

Gaines, Beth
04
Republican
(916) 319-2004
(916) 774-4430

Galgiani, Cathleen
17
Democrat
(916) 319-2017
(209) 948-7479

Garrick, Martin
74
Republican
(916) 319-2074
(760) 929-7998

Gatto, Mike
43
Democrat
(916) 319-2043
(818) 558-3043

Gordon, Richard S.
21
Democrat
(916) 319-2021
(650) 691-2121

Gorell, Jeff
37
Republican
(916) 319-2037
(805) 230-9167

Grove, Shannon L.
32
Republican
(916) 319-2032
(661) 395-2995

Hagman, Curt
60
Republican
(916) 319-2060
(909) 627-7021

Halderman, Linda
29
Republican
(916) 319-2029
(559) 446-2029

Hall, Isadore III
52
Democrat
(916) 319-2052
(310) 223-1201

Harkey, Diane L.
73
Republican
(916) 319-2073
(949) 347-7301

Hayashi, Mary
18
Democrat
(916) 319-2018
(510) 583-8818

Hernández, Roger
57
Democrat
(916) 319-2057
(626) 960-4457

Hill, Jerry
19
Democrat
(916) 319-2019
(650) 349-1900

Huber, Alyson
10
Democrat
(916) 319-2010
(209) 333-5330

Hueso, Ben
79
Democrat
(916) 319-2079
(619) 409-7979

Huffman, Jared
06
Democrat
(916) 319-2006
(415) 479-4920

Jeffries, Kevin
66
Republican
(916) 319-2066
(951) 894-1232

Jones, Brian W.
77
Republican
(916) 319-2077
(619) 441-2322

Knight, Steve
36
Republican
(916) 319-2036
(661) 267-7636

Lara, Ricardo
50
Democrat
(916) 319-2050
(562) 529-3250

Logue, Dan
03
Republican
(916) 319-2003
(530) 895-4217

Lowenthal, Bonnie
54
Democrat
(916) 319-2054
(562) 495-2915

Ma, Fiona
12
Democrat
(916) 319-2012
(415) 557-2312

Mansoor, Allan
68
Republican
(916) 319-2068
(714) 668-2100

Mendoza, Tony
56
Democrat
(916) 319-2056
(562) 864-5600

Miller, Jeff
71
Republican
(916) 319-2071
(949) 598-7171

Mitchell, Holly
47
Democrat
(916) 319-2047
(310) 342-1070

Monning, William W.
27
Democrat
(916) 319-2027
(831) 425-1503

Morrell, Mike
63
Republican
(916) 319-2063
(909) 466-9096

Nestande, Brian
64
Republican
(916) 319-2064
(951) 369-6644

Nielsen, Jim
02
Republican
(916) 319-2002
(530) 223-6300

Norby, Chris
72
Republican
(916) 319-2072
(714) 526-7272

Olsen, Kristin
25
Republican
(916) 319-2025
(209) 576-6425

Pan, Richard
05
Democrat
(916) 319-2005
(916) 452-0505

Perea, Henry T.
31
Democrat
(916) 319-2031
(559) 445-5532

Pérez, John A.
46
Democrat
(916) 319-2046
(213) 620-4646

Pérez, V. Manuel
80
Democrat
(916) 319-2080
(760) 342-8047

Portantino, Anthony J.
44
Democrat
(916) 319-2044
(626) 577-9944

Silva, Jim
67
Republican
(916) 319-2067
(714) 843-4966

Skinner, Nancy
14
Democrat
(916) 319-2014
(510) 286-1400

Smyth, Cameron
38
Republican
(916) 319-2038
(661) 286-1565

Solorio, Jose
69
Democrat
(916) 319-2069
(714) 939-8469

Swanson, Sandré R.
16
Democrat
(916) 319-2016
(510) 286-1670

Torres, Norma J.
61
Democrat
(916) 319-2061
(909) 902-9606

Valadao, David G.
30
Republican
(916) 319-2030
(559) 585-7170

Wagner, Donald P.
70
Republican
(916) 319-2070
(949) 863-7070

Wieckowski, Bob
20
Democrat
(916) 319-2020
(510) 440-9030

Williams, Das
35
Democrat
(916) 319-2035

Yamada, Mariko
08
Democrat
(916) 319-2008
(707) 455-8025

Liz ODell wrote:So does anyone know what is going on with Lieu's promised (As per Assembly Parks/Wildlife hearing) promise to include the ability of the CA Fish and Game Commission to overturn his law by vote?
That is one that we need to stay on top of!

Hey Liz
The Half assed amendments that were going to be added to another bill were changed to amendments http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postq ... type=email on 8/20/12 so now the bill will have to go back to the Senate if it gets pasted in the Assembly.

What's up with this hound tag program that is mentioned in the amendment. It defines a hound as any dog used to pursue mammals.

Looks like they are going to try to make up the loss in revenue by charging every hound hunter in the State a "fee" to run their dogs. Last I checked...coon, rabbit, pig, deer, fox, etc. are all mammals. This affects absolutely everyone! This is the first I read of this.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bil ... m_v97.html

(2) "Hound" means a dog used to pursue mammals.
(b) The commission may establish a hound tag program.
(c) If a hound tag program is established, the commission may
require all of the following:
(1) That each hound be issued a license tag bearing a unique
identifying number that is to be worn at all times by the hound while
pursuing mammals.
(2) That all relevant local and state laws pertaining to dogs are
being followed while the hound is being used to pursue mammals.
(3) That each hound be microchipped with an implanted transponder
that has a unique identification code.
(4) That the owner maintain documentation showing that the hound
is current on all required vaccinations and treatments for the
prevention of rabies and any other disease specified by the
department.
(5) That the owner report, within 24 hours of its last sighting,
any hound that is lost during hunting, pursuing, or tracking
activities.
(6) That the hound's tag identification number be recorded on the
hunting tag of any animal taken using the services of the hound.
(d) If a hound tag program is established, the commission may
adjust the amount of the fees for the hound tag as necessary, to
fully recover, but not exceed, all reasonable administrative and
implementation costs of the department and the commission relating to
the program.

Well if it wasn't already, it should be clear as day to everybody now. This is not just about bear and bobcat. This is about ALL hunting with dogs. They just used this bill as a backdoor to regulating ALL hunting with hounds out of existence. How much are these hound tags going to cost? Can F&G refuse to provide a hound tag based on number of dogs, or previous infractions (real or otherwise)?

If/when this bill passes, this will be the end of ALL recreational hound hunting in California. Who's going to get into this sport with all the added restrictions and cost? Hound hunting is a huge commitment already without more govt. intervention. Yes, I'm sure HSUS knows this, and so do the legislators.

But of course the govt. gets a pass on having to follow these new rules. There should be a special place in hell reserved for all the govt. hunters that are going to step in and manage the mammal population for the State of CA, when all of us have to hang up our leashes.

DirtAddict wrote:What's up with this hound tag program that is mentioned in the amendment. It defines a hound as any dog used to pursue mammals.

Looks like they are going to try to make up the loss in revenue by charging every hound hunter in the State a "fee" to run their dogs. Last I checked...coon, rabbit, pig, deer, fox, etc. are all mammals. This affects absolutely everyone! This is the first I read of this.

The restriction for your dogs are :

The bill would eliminate existing provisions allowing for the use of
dogs to hunt bears, and would, instead, authorize the use of not more
than 3 dogs to pursue bears, as defined, or bobcats pursuant to a
depredation permit issued by the department. The bill would authorize
the department to authorize specified entities to use dogs to pursue
bears or bobcats for the purpose of scientific research, under certain
conditions. The bill would also authorize the pursuit of bears or bobcats
by dogs that are guarding or protecting livestock or crops on property
owned, leased, or rented by the owner of the dogs, if the dogs are
maintained with, and remain in reasonable proximity to, the livestock
or crops being guarded or protected. The bill would authorize the Fish
and Game Commission to establish a hound tag program, imposing
prescribed requirements on the licensure and use of hounds, as defined,
to pursue mammals.

I'm pretty sure the 'hound tag' is written in a way that it will apply to any dog used for the pursuit of any mammal, not just dogs doing depredation work.

Liz ODell wrote:I'm pretty sure the 'hound tag' is written in a way that it will apply to any dog used for the pursuit of any mammal, not just dogs doing depredation work

Best I can tell from this ammendments I think your right and I wouldn't be suprised that they would sneek in and include the rest of the mammales in this train wreck.

From the office of Assemblyman Tim Donnelly


Fellow Patriots,

If you care about protecting freedom, there's something you can do that could be the difference between winning and losing more of our heritage as outdoorsmen and women. Please take 5 minutes and call the two Republican Senators who voted for (SB 1221 Lieu), which bans the use of hounds while hunting bears, and let them know how important it is to over 10,000 houndsmen, and countless other hunter and gun owners in this state to preserve this right.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces ... 0120SB1221

I just heard that in order to get it out of The Appropriations Committee, the bear tag fee has been increased to offset the $250K it will cost to administer the hound ban (SB 1221). As result, the bill must go back to the Senate, which means you need to get everyone you can to make their voice heard loud and clear in opposition to SB 1221.

916-651-4037 Senator Bill Emmerson

916-651-4019 Senator Tony Strickland

If you are the leader of a Hound Group, a Tea Party, or you are a business owner who likes to hunt, PLEASE SHARE this email with your list of members, fellow hunters, outdoorsmen and gun enthusiasts, customers, church friends, anyone you think might care enough about freedom to pick up the phone.

Tell every one of them to call Senator Tony Strickland, and Senator Bill Emmerson and tell each of them to oppose the bill, that there are 10's of thousands of you who care deeply about preserving your heritage and your lifestyle as an outdoorsman, and that if they support it again, you will make it your life's work to make sure they don't get elected to anything.

We have a 2nd chance to kill this bill, and we don't often get a 2nd chance, so rally the troops and gear up for war. We want to blow up their phones all day long, call early and spread the word.

Godspeed,

Assemblyman Tim Donnelly

59th Assembly District

916-319-2059


PS: Please share this if you care about preserving the right to hunt with hounds, and ask those you call to share this e-mail with other concerned citizens.


916-651-4037 Senator Bill Emmerson

916-651-4019 Senator Tony Strickland

It pasted the Assembly floor 44-yes, 29-no and 7 did not vote, now it go's back to the Senate with the amendments make the calls daily let them know you are
OPPSED TO SB 1221! the senate contacts are liste above.

Californis Senate we need to call


Alquist, Elaine Kontominas Voted against us and is 100% HSUS
Democrat
(916) 651-4013

Anderson, Joel Voted for us
Republican
(916) 651-4036

Berryhill, Tom Voted for us and is 100% for us
Republican
(916) 651-4014

Blakeslee, Sam Voted for us but has voted for the HSUS in the pasted and needs to feel the heat
Republican
(916) 651-4015

Calderon, Ron Voted against us the 1st time
Democrate
(916) 651-4030

Cannella, Anthony Voted for us
Republican
(916) 651-4012

Corbett, Ellen M. voted against us and is 100% HSUS
Democrat
(916) 651-4010

Correa, Lou Did not vote the 1st time and needs to be thanked for not voting and asked to do it again
Democrat
(916) 651-4034

de León, Kevin Voted against us
Democrat
(916) 651-4022

DeSaulnier, Mark voted against us and is 100% HSUS
Democrat
(916) 651-4007

Dutton, Bob Voted for us and is 100% for us
Republican
(916) 651-4031

Emmerson, Bill Voted against us and NEEDs to feel the heat
Republican
(916)651-4037

Evans, Noreen VOTED FOR US, THIS IS THE 1ST TIME SHE HAS EVER VOTED AGAINST THE HSUS AND NEEDS TO BE THANKED AND HAVE LOTS OF PRESSURE TO DO IT AGAIN!
Democrat
(916) 651-4002

Fuller, Jean Voted for us and has voted against the HSUS in the past
Republican
(916) 651-4018

Gaines, Ted Voted for us and has voted against the HSUS in the past
Republican
(916) 651-4001

Hancock, Loni Voted against us and has co-authored HSUS bills in the past
Democrate
(916)651 4009

Harman, Tom did not vote the 1st time and has voted against the HSUS 50% of the time and needs to have pressure put on him
Republican
(916) 651-4035

Hernandez O.D., Ed Voted against us and has voted against the HSUS in the past
Democrat
(916) 651-4024

Huff, Bob Voted for us and has voted against the HSUS in the past
Republican
(916) 651-4029

Kehoe, Christine POS and voted against us
Democrat
(916) 651-4039

La Malfa, Doug Voted for us and is 100% for us.
Republican
(916) 651-4004

Leno, Mark Voted against us and is 100% HSUS
Democrat
(916) 651-4003

Lieu, Ted W. POS author of the Bill!
Democrat
(916) 651-4028

Liu, Carol Voted against us
Democrat
(916) 651-4021

Lowenthal, Alan Voted against us
Democrat
(916) 651-4027

Negrete McLeod, Gloria voted against us BUT has voted against the HSUS in the past and needs to feel alot of pressure!
Democrat
(916) 651-4032

Padilla, Alex Voted against us
Democrat
(916) 651-4020

Pavley, Fran Voted against us the 1st time and has sponsored HSUS bills in the past
Democrate
(916) 651-4023

Price, Jr., Curren D. Voted against us BUT has voted against the HSUS in the past
Democrat
(916) 651-4026

Rubio, Michael J. voted for us and needs to be thank and asked to do the same.
Democrat
(916) 651-4016

Runner, Sharon Did not vote the 1st time and needs to be thanked and asked to do it again.
Republican
(916) 651-4017

Simitian, S. Joseph Voted against us BUT has voted against the HSUS in the past needs to feel the presuure!
Democrat
(916) 651-4011

Steinberg, Darrell The co-author of the bill
Democrat
(916) 651-4006

Strickland, Tony The rat bastard that voted AGAINST us the 1st time and needs to here about it!
Republican
(916) 651-4019

Vargas, Juan Voted against us the 1st time.
Democrate
(916) 651-4040

Walters, Mimi Voted for us the 1st time.
Republican
(916) 651-4033

Wolk, Lois Voted for us and needs to thanked and asked to vote for us again.
Democrat
(916) 651-4005

Wright, Roderick D. Voted for us the 1st time and needs to thanked and asked to vote for us again
Democrat
(916) 651-4025

Wyland, Mark Voted for us the 1st time.
Republican
(916) 651-4038

Yee, Leland Y. Voted against us the 1st time
Democrat
(916) 651-4008