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Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:49 pm
by Emily
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49196157

By DON THOMPSON
NBCSanDiego.com
updated 1 hour 54 minutes ago
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Hunters in California will no longer be able to use dogs to hunt bears and bobcats under one of several bills Gov. Jerry Brown announced signing Wednesday that relate to the state Department of Fish and Game.
Another changes the composition of the California Fish and Game Commission in the wake of a controversy over the former commission president's killing of a mountain lion in Idaho.
A third bill lets the department contract with nonprofit conservation groups to manage state-owned lands. SB1221 by Democratic Sen. Ted Lieu of Torrance, which takes effect Jan. 1, allows the use of dogs to track nuisance animals, for research or if a wild animal enters a dog owner's property. But the general hunting of bears and bobcats with hounds will be prohibited. "There is nothing sporting in shooting an exhausted bear clinging to a tree limb or a cornered bobcat,'' Lieu said in a statement noting that hound hunting of bears is illegal in two-thirds of the United States. The bill was backed by the Humane Society of the United States but opposed by most hunting and shooting associations, as well as Republican lawmakers. Brown did not issue a statement saying why he decided to sign the bill, nor did he take questions from reporters Wednesday afternoon after speaking at a forum at a Jewish temple in Los Angeles. Between 1,500 and 1,800 black bears are killed by hunters each year in California, with less than half tracked with dogs, according to state wildlife officials. The state's black bear population is estimated at about 30,000, up from about 10,000 in the 1980s. California has an estimated 70,000 bobcats and issued about 4,500 tags to hunt bobcats last year. About 11 percent of the bobcats were killed with the use of dogs. Opponents have said the bill will end a hunting tradition that dates back hundreds of years. Assemblyman Jim Nielsen, R-Gerber, said the ban could infringe on hunters' tradition and culture while costing the cash-strapped state $278,000 annually from reduced bear and bobcat hunting tags. He said he received thousands of calls and letters upset that the bill would infringe on tradition. "I share their concerns, and I am deeply disappointed that the governor has chosen to sign this into law,'' Nielsen said in a statement. Representatives of the Outdoor Sportsman's Coalition of California and the California Houndsmen for Conservation did not immediately return emailed requests for comment. Brown also signed AB2609, which was approved by lawmakers after the commission's former president, Dan Richards, posed for photos with a mountain lion he shot during a legal hunt in Idaho. Killing mountain lions is illegal in California.
The bill by Assemblyman Ben Hueso, D-San Diego, ends the commission's tradition of appointing its most senior member as president. Instead, the president and vice president will be selected by a majority of the five commissioners and can serve no more than two consecutive years in those leadership posts. The bill also encourages the governor and the Senate Rules Committee to consider an appointee's background in natural resource management, public policy and a scientific discipline and whether the commission is diverse enough before they make appointments. Republicans said the bill was drafted to retaliate against Richards. Democrats said the incident merely pointed out the need to change the makeup of the commission. Brown also approved SB1249 by Senator Lois Wolk, D-Davis, which lets the state Department of Fish and Game contract with nonprofit conservation groups to manage state-owned lands and charge fees for using more of its properties. Currently, the department charges fees at only 19 of its 711 properties, bringing in about $2.5 million annually. The figure does not include money from hunting and fishing licenses that helps cover the department's management costs. Charging visitors to use other areas could raise up to $2.2 million annually by also collecting money from birdwatchers, hikers and campers, according to supporters of the Wolk bill.

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:14 pm
by R.M.

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:42 pm
by mark miller
I tell you guys the fastest way to get to these politicians is to give them money or take it away. Thats why I say vote against any bill that is supported by any public union like no on prop 30 and vote yes on prop 32 that will start the ball rolling beat them at there own game send a message. spread the word these propositions affect all of the tax payers in california, but have big public union money for adds. I know it has not a lot to do with hound hunting but it will hurt the politicians that hurt use please vote in november.

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:55 pm
by Grzyadms4x4
I am very sorry for your state's loss. Any possibility you can split it up into three or four states? The city slickers are obviously to stupid and the rest of the state needs to split off from them.

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:17 pm
by outlaw13
it would be absolutely amazing to split the state right above sacramento with a line.

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:30 pm
by bowtech36
outlaw13 wrote:it would be absolutely amazing to split the state right above sacramento with a line.



x2 thats for sure sorry so cal guys but if we kicked the anti's outta nor cal then we'll have room for you guys and gals.

BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:55 pm
by Fitz
bowtech36 wrote:
outlaw13 wrote:it would be absolutely amazing to split the state right above sacramento with a line.



x2 thats for sure sorry so cal guys but if we kicked the anti's outta nor cal then we'll have room for you guys and gals.




Actually so cal is mostly conservative! San Diego county is a conservative county! The majority of the left wing psychotic pieces of dog sh!t are in San Franfago and Los Fagulas. If those two trash infested places would be exterminated then the rest of the country will have less BS and be happier!

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:58 pm
by bowtech36
Fitz wrote:
bowtech36 wrote:
outlaw13 wrote:it would be absolutely amazing to split the state right above sacramento with a line.



x2 thats for sure sorry so cal guys but if we kicked the anti's outta nor cal then we'll have room for you guys and gals.




Actually so cal is mostly conservative! San Diego county is a conservative county! The majority of the left wing psychotic pieces of dog sh!t are in San Franfago and Los Fagulas. If those two trash infested places would be exterminated then the rest of the country will have less BS and be happier!


i know i love the looks of those people when I go to visit my mom and where my houndsmen clothing. it cracks me up

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:10 pm
by pchop
I live 10 miles from san francisco most don't even know what my dog boxe is for. When i got my catahulla and my plott hound my vet told me I got some exotic dogs.

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:16 pm
by yamaha
Should we get their permission to vote. There is probly some f#@%ed up law that says we have to vote for them! It really would'nt surprise me. Can we jam this law up in court with all our money that's been being donated over the years, CHC MONEY WARCHEST? SPORTSMANS POLITICAL VICTORY FUND? Something? Anybody know what's up? I am not putting any blame on anybody , just wondering where all the sportsman's money is? Anybody from chc still get on this site ?

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:22 pm
by yamaha
Ha! I almost fell out of my chair! "Actually most of so-cal is conservitive?!" Really? Let's not BS everybody here. Yes there are conservitives in so-cal, but not mostly , by a long shot. Conservitive is a conservitive though, no matter where you live. The more the marrier.

BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:20 pm
by Fitz
Yamaha- look it up buddy! Look up how ca votes. SD is consistently a conservative area! It definitely surprised me too. But any ways I'm leavin California. I'm done with all the animal loving, pot smoking, fossil fuel hating, Prius driving, tree hugging, dick sucking democratic, liberal peaces of trash that are here. After Calfire lays me off I'm going to start looking for a place out side of California.

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:53 am
by yamaha
I'll Go with that.

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:03 am
by outlaw13
That is crazy i worked for Cal Fire back when it was CDF. Probably had a good season this year.

Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:06 am
by bowtech36
I just hope due to this unfortunate event, we as californian houndsmen have the best bear hunting seasone yet and show how much we have an effect on the number of bears taken. That way when next year when we don't buy a license or tag and 70 percent of the bears aren't harvested and the quota isn't even close to being reached people might think twice how valuable it is to have a good group of people willing to manage our wildlife.