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Ike first class act. If anyone is doubting you and your dogs you just left yourself wide open. Not a whole lot of houndsmen offer a hunt like that. hats off to you. later, Andy

Thanks Ike!

And I wouldn't bring dogs, I have seen my dogs do enough stuff. It's my turn to see what it is like to be the hunter sitting shotgun, observing the work of finely trained hounds doing what they are bred to do, HUNT!

Utah is and always will be an annual stop for me. I haven't missed a season yet

Anyone who camped with my dad can tell ya, at the end of the day hunting, camp fire food is where it's at...

Pork Chops with cheese and salsa in a tortilla, ZOMG!

Hell, my dad was so high class about camp food we even had Sushi a couple times lol! Now that's hunting happy! =)

Ike wrote:........my box is always full but the seat next to me is usually empty!

keep'em treed,
ike

Why is that Ike.....given your charming personality??

Well hello kevin, it's been a long time since you opened your mouth so I better take the chance to say hello! I know you haven't missed any of this kevin, so don't play innocent. Hunting to me has always been about an individual sport, just those dogs, the game and me. I've never been a party animal, never needed anybody to tag along, always willing able to go it alone. You know, like ol' Ben Lilly. It seems he kinda like it that way as well. I realize after hearing your story about sending seventy-five dogs down a bear track in your early days in Idaho that you probably would wonder why waste a track with only five or six dogs, but some us still like the solitude of the mountain and use that time to get away from people..........

ike

Ike wrote: Hunting to me has always been about an individual sport, just those dogs, the game and me. ..........some us still like the solitude of the mountain and use that time to get away from people..........

ike

If that statement is true Ike, then why are you only one of eleven guides currently registered with Utah's DOPL??? Why guide at all?? You don't make sense sometimes Dennis. Do you ever stop talking long enough to listen to yourself??

And BTW, I agree with you on the 5 or 6 dog thing. The whole point of bringing up my early Idaho experiences, which you apparently missed, was that if you can't get a bear stopped with 5 or 6 dogs, more dogs aren't going to do any better. See, we can agree on somethings!!

Kevin D wrote:

Ike wrote: Hunting to me has always been about an individual sport, just those dogs, the game and me. ..........some us still like the solitude of the mountain and use that time to get away from people..........

ike

If that statement is true Ike, then why are you only one of eleven guides currently registered with Utah's DOPL??? Why guide at all?? You don't make sense sometimes Dennis. Do you ever stop talking long enough to listen to yourself??

And BTW, I agree with you on the 5 or 6 dog thing. The whole point of bringing up my early Idaho experiences, which you apparently missed, was that if you can't get a bear stopped with 5 or 6 dogs, more dogs aren't going to do any better. See, we can agree on somethings!!

Why the hell not guide in Utah??

I have been to every state but Alaska and Hawaii, Utah, is by far my favorite... You can go to Moab and go to the Moab Dinner for some Icecream, Zax for the Outlaw special pizza, then you can go up to Salt Lake and snow board!!

If we could use dogs in Colorado, I never would have moved to Arizona, Cuz Dad and I, HATE the hunting we do in AZ...

Maybe Ike hates guiding just like my dad learned to... Maybe the main motivation for a lot of guides offering 5 day hunts we know we can fill in the first day is to get that city person who doesn't appreciate the gift he is truly surrounded by the hell away from us. Lol, I know that's how dad and I looked at some of them.

I think the only good thing about guiding is that you are going to be hunting anyways, why not get paid for it?

Hey Ike... You have snakes where you hunt? LOL

About the only place I have to deal with snakes is on the Internet Nikki.........

ike

"Maybe the main motivation for a lot of guides offering 5 day hunts we know we can fill in the first day is to get that city person who doesn't appreciate the gift he is truly surrounded by the hell away from us."

This statement says alot.............

Well I'm stuck indoors at work so here's my 2 cents worth. Have any of you ever watched european ringsport or the military/police training that they do with dogs in Europe and Israel (and in the US but you'll have to sort through more fluff to find the good stuff)? Now I'm not talking about Shutzhund thats a game. If you want to see some incredible dog action look at some on Youtube. Whats my point? Those dogs are full on attacking the decoy (you can also see some live video on real perps if you look), they are every bit as fired up as any hound on a bear bay BUT 99% of the time when they are told to release and return to the handler they do it. Now you might say well those dogs are smarter than hounds...I've been around those dogs and non have been any smarter or dumber than 99% of the hounds I've owned. Heart and desire...hell yes, they will take a bullet or a knife and continue their hold until the are given the call to release. (however when the decoy or perp is on the gound fighting I usually see the handler have to get in close to get the release, I'd say at that point it would be the same as a dog actually stretching something and you probably won't call one off that either).
At any rate I firmly believe that the new Tri-Tronics with the tone button is the greatest frickin thing since sliced bread. I have called my dogs in some situations that really made me say 'wow', even my husband is a believer now and so far I haven't noticed any negative affects on the dogs desire to catch game. However I must admit my downfall in that I still can't get those suckers to lead from a bear tree without a leash, I have to get out of eyesight/jump out earshot and then we are good. But the battle on the leash is not at all what it used to be and I can lead six dogs sometimes now when two used to be a challenge. Hounds are really very smart dogs and as we know extremely prey driven but as the service dogs show us even extreme prey driven dogs can hear their owner and (usually) get a handle in extreme situations.

Liz ODell wrote:At any rate I firmly believe that the new Tri-Tronics with the tone button is the greatest frickin thing since sliced bread. I have called my dogs in some situations that really made me say 'wow', even my husband is a believer now and so far I haven't noticed any negative affects on the dogs desire to catch game.

Several years back, I let my pack of hounds grow from four to nine dogs. Not long after that I sold one and landed with only eight, and truth is I usually only hunt six because I've all but retired the older two dogs. I have a full time job, and so it is important to hunt all of my dogs on my days off, which is another reason I refuse to leave some of my hounds home so a buddy can bring theirs along. Anyway, you are correct when saying that the tone button on the G2 and G3 was a God sent to us hounddoggers.

I use to never run my dogs with shockers, and in fact only use them to check on trash or young dogs. Then one hot day I got tired of fighting nine dogs off the tree by myself and tied those six collars of mine onto my freighter pack. The tree was early morning, in high country and cool until mid-morning. And after I arrived I shot video, petted up those hounds and then sat and enjoyed the tree until it warmed up--maybe 11:00 AM or so. By then those hounds had been tree for three or more hours, and with no water around were starting to slow down on tree barks and it was time to go.......

I strapped a collar on six of those hounds, all of which were the older dogs that had been with me since they were pups, for nine years or more. Again I petted them all up and said let's go, and most of them began to follow me away from the tree. My old blue Ryan and Rowen dogs didn't make but a couple feet and turned back to tree. I continued to call them off the tree and hit the tone button of a couple of the hard headed dogs--dogs that have had dozens of lions and bears shot down to them over the years. And all ten of us walked away fro that tree without me shocking or thumping a single one of them.

But I've utilized that tone button for other reason from the beginning. First off, I give those dogs a command, then another chance and eventually hit the tone button and issue that command again. If that dog doesn't response they get a light shock and that same command again. My point is that a hound would have to be plumb stupid to not understand where we are going with this method. And that has been the training methods that I have used and it works, voice commands and patience, more voice commands and patience, the toner and more voice commands and patience, and eventually the button that says I'm your boss and you will listen........

A couple springs back I rigged a lion in May on my son's birthday. I had my Wife and son along and we treed that lion with six hounds, then went to the tree. The video camera was taken out and I shot some film of them both, as my wife just doesn't come along very often. When finished, I put the camera away and about then the lion jumped. Those six hounds were tight on that cat and it chose a path that forced it to jump some blow down, and I thought for a minute those hounds were going to catch it on the ground.

Well, that tom ran into some quaken aspen trees and was forced up or fight, and climb it did. That was the first lion that I had ever had in an aspen tree, so the video camera came back out. The tree was sixty or seventy feet across a little draw and I continued to film the cat. After a few short minutes, my wife ask me if I was about done, to which I responded why? Well, she said, that darn lion has slipped three or four feet down the tree since we got here and if you don't pull those dogs you're gonna have a cat fight.

I put the camera away and told my son (who hadn't hunted with me in a couple years) watch me call those hounds off the tree, and then I did it. All six dogs were treeing their heads off after nearly catching that lion on the ground, and all six dogs peeled off and ran to dad......

If anybody really believes it's better for one hounddogger to drag nine dogs off a tree than call them off, well, like they say each man to his own beliefs.



ike

hey sour d if i had to check every track my dogs started by free casting or struck off the rig because 50% of the time they would get it wrong i'd start looking for some new dogs pronto

BARTAMENKO wrote:hey sour d if i had to check every track my dogs started by free casting or struck off the rig because 50% of the time they would get it wrong i'd start looking for some new dogs pronto

Maybe that"s because you have some pretty hot nosed dog that couldn't even start a track that hadn't just crossed the road in front of them. I know your dogs are the top shelf type that everyone wants but no one has. You stick to opossums. I will keep hunting lion. We will both be happy.

BARTAMENKO wrote:FALL RIVER LUCKY STRIKES A BEAR OFF THE QUAD JIM PUTS HIM DOWN AND HE LINES IT OUT COLD TRAILING AWAY FROM US. THINKING FIRST MISTAKE THAT IT WAS HOT ENOUGH TO DROP THE PUPS INTO HIM TURN IM LOOSE WELL ALL SOUNDED ABOUT RIGHT UNTIL ROY TURNED HIS BLUETICK INTO THEM THE DOG WENT FAIRLY DEEP AND IT SOUNDED LIKE HE TREED, THEN ALL THE PUPS STARTED TREEING TO JIM HAD DROVE AROUND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CUT SO HE WENT IN FIRST HE SAID WHEN HE GOT TO THIS LITTLE OLD OAK TREE THAT BLUETICK WAS ABOUT 7' OFF THE GROUND FALSE TREEING AND THEM PUPS WERE TREEING THE BLUETICK WITH SOME GENTLE PURSUASION JIM WAS ABLE TO PERSUADE THE PUPS TO LET THE BLUETICK OUT OF THE TREE. HE THEN SENT THE HOLE CREW DOWN THE HILL TOWARDS LUCKY WHO WAS STILL TRAILING RIGHT ALONG. THEM YOUNG DOGS CAUGHT UP TO OLD LUCK AND IN ABOUT 2 MINUTES HAD THIS THING JUMPED COOL RIGHT SECOND MISTAKE IT TOOK SOME RIDING ON THEM QUADS THAT WOULD HAVE MADE JEFF GORDON SCREAM FOR MERCY. BUT WE GOT UM BOYS THEY WERE ABOUT 10' BEHIND A PRETTY FAST COYOTE HE WAS RUNNING FOR HIS LIFE. BUY THE TIME WE FINISHED A LITTLE LESSON
ON GOOD AND BAD I DON'T THINK THAT COYOTE WILL HAVE ANY PROBLEMS FOR A WHILE.
SO WE GATHERED ALL THE DOGS EXCEPT FOR ONE WHERE THE HECK IS THAT OLD DOG LUCKY OH WELL WE'LL PICK HIM UP ON THE WAY OUT WE PUT THE DOGS UP AND JIM SAYS WAIT I HEAR MY DOG, I CUP UP AND SURE ENOUGH ITS OLD FALL RIVER LUCKY AND HE IS TREED WE DRIVE BACK AROUND TO HIM TURN THE PUPS OUT TO HIM FIRST, WAIT FOR ABOUT A MINUTE THEN TURN OLD BLUE LOOSE THEY ALL GO UP AND TREE FINALLY A BEAR. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE EXPERINCE THANKS LUCKY.
YOUR SON AND DAUGHTERS WILL BE JUST FINE.
ONE THING IS FOR SURE THEY RUN TO CATCH WE CAN SLOW THEM DOWN ON THE BAD STUFF.
SCORE CARD
ONE BLUETICK ONE COYOTE AND THEN LUCKY SHOWING THEM THE TREE

I guess that pretty much says it all. Good job there BART one Bluetick, and a coyote, thank god you have friends like Jim so you have some success to write about. another thing why do you ask everyone on here that has some success with their hounds what they are running for dogs are yours a little suspect?

sourdough

i had a walker dog when i was younger would follow me every where we were best friends and it was also the best dog i have ever had 4 hunting had it 4 14yrs if a cat was in the yard it would not do any thing just watch it walk by butt when u where hunting well u no and if it was running a coon ,cat and i called to her she would come back listened well good hunting dog good field trial dog good companion butt never had one that good cents

MT.music wrote:i had a walker dog when i was younger would follow me every where we were best friends and it was also the best dog i have ever had 4 hunting had it 4 14yrs if a cat was in the yard it would not do any thing just watch it walk by butt when u where hunting well u no and if it was running a coon ,cat and i called to her she would come back listened well good hunting dog good field trial dog good companion butt never had one that good cents

We had a Plott, Blacky, you could put a kitten in his food pan and on his head and he wouldn't do anything, take that same kitten and him out of the yard and well, I think we all know lol