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Let me Tell you a story. It has something to do about yard sticks, what we expect from a dog. Years a go I had a dog that was considered a top bear dog and she was one of the best. I quit hunting her at 10 years old because she could not cut it[keeping up]. I give her to my brother in law to let run lose on his farm. Before I got her they had bred her to a Bluetick to put some speed into their dogs. They called and wanted to breed her again. They finally talked Glen out of the dog. They hunted her while waiting to breed her. The first time out she treed game ahead of their dogs. She was a top start dog, bay dog and tree dog that out preformed their dogs. They call a top hunter that guided with me at times for bear hunters. Asked why did Dewey quit hunting this dog she was far better than anything they had.. His answer was[ You should hunt with the rest of his dogs}. Some people just have a higher standard then others, And some people just don't know. I have invited everyone to come hunt with me just leave your dogs at home. I have never had a problem with my ego even though several people think I have those people chose not to come and see. I catch a lot of bobcats where a lot of people say there are few or they are hard to catch. Who I consider the top bobcat hunter in this neck of the works said bobcat hunting is just as easy as coon hunting when you have the right dogs. The people that chose to stay ignorant just leave more cats for me to tree. Each to their own, hunt what you have the ability to understand. Dewey

I can/t agree that a good cat hound will come down to the ability of it/s owner, unless the new owner is a lost cause. I bought a good cat hound when I was young and inexperienced, that hound continued to be a hound that impressed most who hunted with him. Did I cause him to lose some jumped cat by drive too close to him on a road lose, yes. But that dog taught me and caught cat at times in spite of me. Wish I had a bunch like him today. Al

dwalton wrote:Let me Tell you a story. It has something to do about yard sticks, what we expect from a dog. Years a go I had a dog that was considered a top bear dog and she was one of the best. I quit hunting her at 10 years old because she could not cut it[keeping up]. I give her to my brother in law to let run lose on his farm. Before I got her they had bred her to a Bluetick to put some speed into their dogs. They called and wanted to breed her again. They finally talked Glen out of the dog. They hunted her while waiting to breed her. The first time out she treed game ahead of their dogs. She was a top start dog, bay dog and tree dog that out preformed their dogs. They call a top hunter that guided with me at times for bear hunters. Asked why did Dewey quit hunting this dog she was far better than anything they had.. His answer was[ You should hunt with the rest of his dogs}. Some people just have a higher standard then others, And some people just don't know. I have invited everyone to come hunt with me just leave your dogs at home. I have never had a problem with my ego even though several people think I have those people chose not to come and see. I catch a lot of bobcats where a lot of people say there are few or they are hard to catch. Who I consider the top bobcat hunter in this neck of the works said bobcat hunting is just as easy as coon hunting when you have the right dogs. The people that chose to stay ignorant just leave more cats for me to tree. Each to their own, hunt what you have the ability to understand. Dewey

Yep, that's the Dewey I know. Have you seen the show Talledega Nights?? You are the Ricky Bobby of hound hunting. ahhahaha The nice thing about the men that I've had the pleasure to hunt around is that they were not only the best at what they do, they are humble. I'd like to apologize to others on this thread for my short outburst here but I wanted to speak my piece.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZnaq8nWLTs
Just in case you hadn't seen it, Dewey.

jcathunter wrote:Willie, it sounds to me like you are saying that, without running blood, a dog will catch a small percentage of bobcats and the owner will try to make the bobcat sound uncatchable??? Is that correct? Right now, I'm purposely hunting dogs that I know have zero running dog blood in them and doing just fine. Although I haven't hunted the past week, the week before, my registered english was under 3 trees for the last 4 jumped races and the 4th race had a guy dump his box in to the dogs and blow up the race. I also kept track a few years back with a nice pack of dogs that I owned and they caught 45 of 50 jumped cats during kill season one year. There was only one dog in my pack that could have possibly had any running dog in her at all and, if she did, it sure wasn't much. I have also watched lines of dogs that I like very much slowly lose the "tree" as they are bred down the line. As mentioned before, its all in the satisfaction of the man hunting them. Myself, I will not try to teach a dog to tree and I will not wait until they are two to three years old for them to tree just the same as I will not wait that long for them to trail, strike, etc. I've heard many say that some of the best dogs start late, take awhile to tree, etc and I will not disagree but, as for myself, I will not wait that long to find out and its worked for me.

Kinda the pot calling the kettle black

Good point Mr. Baldwin, A good breeder will breed so the new owner is set up to win, and they are hard to mess up. The hounds will do what's natural to them because it's been bred into them, generation after generation. I have see where they could not be broken off of cats with a E-Collar.
JTG

al baldwin wrote:I can/t agree that a good cat hound will come down to the ability of it/s owner, unless the new owner is a lost cause. I bought a good cat hound when I was young and inexperienced, that hound continued to be a hound that impressed most who hunted with him. Did I cause him to lose some jumped cat by drive too close to him on a road lose, yes. But that dog taught me and caught cat at times in spite of me. Wish I had a bunch like him today. Al

Spot wrote:

jcathunter wrote:Willie, it sounds to me like you are saying that, without running blood, a dog will catch a small percentage of bobcats and the owner will try to make the bobcat sound uncatchable??? Is that correct? Right now, I'm purposely hunting dogs that I know have zero running dog blood in them and doing just fine. Although I haven't hunted the past week, the week before, my registered english was under 3 trees for the last 4 jumped races and the 4th race had a guy dump his box in to the dogs and blow up the race. I also kept track a few years back with a nice pack of dogs that I owned and they caught 45 of 50 jumped cats during kill season one year. There was only one dog in my pack that could have possibly had any running dog in her at all and, if she did, it sure wasn't much. I have also watched lines of dogs that I like very much slowly lose the "tree" as they are bred down the line. As mentioned before, its all in the satisfaction of the man hunting them. Myself, I will not try to teach a dog to tree and I will not wait until they are two to three years old for them to tree just the same as I will not wait that long for them to trail, strike, etc. I've heard many say that some of the best dogs start late, take awhile to tree, etc and I will not disagree but, as for myself, I will not wait that long to find out and its worked for me.

Kinda the pot calling the kettle black

How so? I simply stated that I have seen and owned dogs that caught a high percentage of jumped cats and they were not running dogs to illustrate that the running dog blood is not the only thing that can get it done. You joined the board yesterday and your only posts are in this thread???

JTG wrote:Good point Mr. Baldwin, A good breeder will breed so the new owner is set up to win, and they are hard to mess up. The hounds will do what's natural to them because it's been bred into them, generation after generation. I have see where they could not be broken off of cats with a E-Collar.
JTG

al baldwin wrote:I can/t agree that a good cat hound will come down to the ability of it/s owner, unless the new owner is a lost cause. I bought a good cat hound when I was young and inexperienced, that hound continued to be a hound that impressed most who hunted with him. Did I cause him to lose some jumped cat by drive too close to him on a road lose, yes. But that dog taught me and caught cat at times in spite of me. Wish I had a bunch like him today. Al

I agree with this 100%. The best dogs I have ever owned taught me a hell of a lot more than I ever taught them.

Has anybody ever met anybody that ever hunted with Dewy that said he don't have no cat dogs?? I think not. If someone comes forward and corrects my thoughts. I will say publicly that I have opened mouth and inserted foot. But I am pretty sure I judge people about the same as I judge a hound. ( Not to many mistakes ) When a person types on a key board they have no choice but to tell it how it is. Even if it ruffles a few feathers of those that couldn't make a patch on a real houndsmens ass. Unfortunately some on this site make a habit of putting the mouth on some that are very successful at what they do. They did that with a guy named Ike, and three quarters on here couldn't make a patch on his ass either. Wouldn't know the man if I tripped over him. But dollars to doughnuts he was another that a lot of wisdom that was lost. Because of people that could play this game their whole life. And never be any better than the day they started. So for some that feel the need to get in others shit. Please put fingers to the keyboard and tell us of all your accomplishments. I would think the only thing that would hold a person back. Would be that it is a big world on the internet, and some may know the truth.

Take care, Willie

I just started this topic because I didn't want to mix running blood into my pack of dogs that I want to try on cats and this has gotten out of hand. I'm so very sorry for any comments I've made that might have offended or disrespected anyone. I'll admit I made a few post with strong disagreement fresh on my mind and for that I apologize!!!

My dogs probably will never catch any cats but they are mine and good luck to all and happy hunting.

slowandeasy wrote:Has anybody ever met anybody that ever hunted with Dewy that said he don't have no cat dogs?? I think not. If someone comes forward and corrects my thoughts. I will say publicly that I have opened mouth and inserted foot. But I am pretty sure I judge people about the same as I judge a hound. ( Not to many mistakes ) When a person types on a key board they have no choice but to tell it how it is. Even if it ruffles a few feathers of those that couldn't make a patch on a real houndsmens ass. Unfortunately some on this site make a habit of putting the mouth on some that are very successful at what they do. They did that with a guy named Ike, and three quarters on here couldn't make a patch on his ass either. Wouldn't know the man if I tripped over him. But dollars to doughnuts he was another that a lot of wisdom that was lost. Because of people that could play this game their whole life. And never be any better than the day they started. So for some that feel the need to get in others shit. Please put fingers to the keyboard and tell us of all your accomplishments. I would think the only thing that would hold a person back. Would be that it is a big world on the internet, and some may know the truth.

Take care, Willie

Whether this was directed at me or not, I will start. I've had dogs a few years and caught a few cats. I have never claimed to be anything more than someone who tries to make dogs and catch cats. Now, that being said, I have had the opportunity to get out in the woods with men that are darn good at what they do. They don't toot their own horn like some. In fact, its quite the opposite. They are very humble and, one thing is for certain, they KNOW dogs and have taught me more than I could have ever learned in five lifetimes. Your turn. To answer your other question, yes, I have met Dewey. I lived very close to him and he's much more popular on the internet than he is in Oregon.

Yes a good bobcat dog should be able to catch cats with any handler but they dont a good comon sense houndsman with determination will catch way more cats with the same dog. Thete are some hunters that are just dip shit stupid when it comes to catching. Dewey has offered for anyone to ride along that more than most will offer maybe its because he knows what his dogs will do rather than saying it on the puter. Go fir a ride dont let your ego get in the way. Andy

Oconee

There is a lot of knowledge to be gained on this board...What has happened is pretty typical and nothing to do with you....Why would any person who has been at this game for many years want to get involved in helping others?

Willie
You are right about Ike...I sure do miss him....He told it like it is and got the boot....He is better off....When a man says come hunt and see for yourself, just leave your dogs home...You don't have to like the guy, just understand he is willing to show you so you can make up your own mind...This is a very generous offer...Possibly makes a bold statement about letting the dogs do the talking once he logs off the internet. Any of you up and coming guys would be a complete fool for not taking the man up on his offer....Once you see the mix of hound/running dog in person you will better suited to make a comment or can say you have hunted with them and this is what they represent to me based on fact here on BGH....I have just began experimenting in the running dog cross to hounds and only took me four decades to try something different......This board is intended to expedite the learning process and having all weigh in is a good deal to a point when it turns nasty towards each other....The end!

Mike

Mike

Oconee, no reason to apologize. If everyone thought the same way, nothing would be learned.

I wouldn't mind a little running dog in some of mine to improve their feet but I got what I got so I just go with it.

"The best dogs I have ever owned taught me a hell of a lot more than I ever taught them." That does say it all. Dewey