BigGameHoundsmen.com

Here is my 2 cents, like it will change anything. This law is a bs and we all knows it! All the bears that is killed are within the quote that is being sold to the public. Throughout the the whole years that I have being hound hunting, there is not a single year that we went over the projected tags that are being sold. The anti is a larger organized organization with more $$ that makes things happened the way it did. Politicians have never been a core value to me. Politicians as we known are driven by $$. People who we voted in office are nothing mere puppets to big organization. They have won and I give them the credit for that. We houndsmens are not politicians. We majority are simple people who love doing what we love to do. We all understand that this fight will not end here. The question is, how are we going to stand against the powerful alliance? I come from a poor society, never been a kiss ass, never being born with lots of money. How can we bring this to the ballots, where we the public can have a chance to cast our vote rather than mere puppets who are driven by Big organizations?

The problem wingmaster is they will out spend use in a ballot measure, on adds in the big city's and such this will be a tough battle for sure. I know one thing for sure if we don't start voting and learn more about politics we will be screwed for many years. I as you wasn't borne with a silver spoon but you never want to stop learning especially when it comes to your enemies and what they may do next. One thing is for sure is we have to stick together through the good and bad times that's what makes you stronger as a formidable foe to the anti hunting groups. Stay in the woods its safer there lol.

Now that bear hunting is illegal with hounds, what's the need to have dog closer zones ? Has anyone heard if the closers will be dropped from the Regs ?

If Fish and Game is changing to Fish and Wildlife will Game Wardens now be called Wildlife Wardens?

They don't change regs. in california just add to them, then they always have you on something this place is run like Europe just move to the city and get a forest manager to keep your gun and tell you what animal to shoot. About the name change guarantee that was recommended by hsus it makes there transition take over easer and they don't have to use there money to change the name on everything can you say SUPER MAJORITY ALL YOU STATE AND FEDRAL WORKERS OUT THERE WATCH WHAT HAPPENS NEXT THANKS BIG UNION WE ARE SCREWED BECAUSE OF GREED. We just sit back make money for trade of freedoms is all Im trying to say we all do it, so when it bites us in the rear we know why. CA has more state, fed. county and city works than half the usa it just gets bigger higher taxes to pay for the bs and more tickets and laws and lawyers to figure it all out a ticket is a easy way to tax you with out most figuring its a tax you are better off not getting the regs. just shoot what you can eat and respect the wildlife you harvest then you will be doing the morally right thing. I run my dogs on a leash its the law

Hey Mark, you might be right about running your dogs on a leash. Last week a forest cop made a point of telling me they enforce El Dorado county leash laws in the national forest.

Hey Guys

I have lived in Southern California for more than 60 years but this time with this kind of crap legislation they have crossed the line. I was once proud to live in the state but if this is how they plan on running it I am getting out. The disgust I feel towards the Senators and the Governor is beyond words ! I thought that we elected these clowns to serve our needs not be self serving and filling their pockets with money.
In my case I am moving out which I am sure the anti's will love but they do not realize that I win also ! I do not have to live with people who just have to impose their views on all the rest of the people even if they do not want to live their way. I will laugh really hard when those who are doing get it done to them ! There so many four letter words that fit this comment but I will not stoop to their leve.

Good Bye As soon as my Home Sells

Justaguy- I agree with you. But you better move as fast as you can. You'll be heavily fined for leaving if you hang around too much longer and Jerry brown gets his way. I'll post the link to the LA times article I'm referencing in just a few minutes.

Here it is! http://tahir2929.blogspot.com/2012/11/n ... d.html?m=1

Next time some forest cop tries to enforce the El Dorado County leash law in the National Forest place him under citizens arrest for misdemeanor interfering with a hunt, that is if your dog has not been "dispatched". Come January I will be one coon and fox runnin' son of a gun, following the law to a t and I bet I will still get the shaft but it will make for one hell of an article for Full Cry. -Pete

ooops. CA Fish and Wildlife Code Section 2009 (d) This section does not apply to the actions of any peace officer or personnel of the department in the performance of their official duties. This section does not obstruct the rights and normal activities of landowners or tenants, including, but not limited to , farming, ranching, and limiting unlawful trespass. U.S Forest Service rules state in Title 36, Chapter 11, Part 261, Subpart A, Section 261.8 Fish and Wildlife, The following are prohibited to the extent federal or state law is violated:
(d) Possessing a dog not on a leash or otherwise confined.
WTF? Any lawyers out there that could clarify this legal morass?

Mark and Yamaha,

Thank you for the kind words, but many people worked very hard to defeat 1221...I just happened to be the face and the mouth that most people saw and heard.

Now as for causing unrest hounds man and women are fighters at heart never give up like the dogs we hunt, so I think most of us think we should have fought harder the way we know how which is some times physical.

I can sympathize with that sentiment, but unless people are advocating getting into fistfights or staging sit-ins (which I do not think would have helped our cause), I can't think of anything physical that would get the bill stopped or now reversed.

Most of use feel we didn't get a chance to say are peace and tell the so called representatives how we really feel.

You are exactly right. The process by which each American and California is able to share their thoughts to our elected leadership is atrocious. The level of frustration is entirely justified in my opinion, and it is a testament to everybody's integrity that we could withstand the attacks, witness the political highjacking of the will of the people and yet, still be as well-behaved as we were during the process. There were no arrests or altercations on our side, but the anti's cannot say the same.

Don't get confused about how we feel as a whole we think you did a great job, the people that were there to witness how you represented hounds people couldn't think any other way

No worries at all. I'm not taking anything personally. My one complaint is how some people seem prone to making unfounded statements that seem to be perpetuated through the rumor mill.

just help use through these times by showing us the light at the end of the tunnel or like my dad used to say if there is no hope don't let me suffer but rather no matter how harsh the reality is just put us out of are misery and tell use there is no hope so we can get on with running hounds under ground and saving license fees well thanks for your time good luck.

The fight to get the use of hounds restored won't be easy, and if it is to be won, it will not happen overnight. It's going to require a sustained effort by the entire hound hunting community in California...not just CHC and not just CHC's next president.

Rifleman, Thanks for all you and chc do. Thank you for responding to many of these questions and critcism. Most of us are still in this all the way, just let us know.We are just still frustrated, and don't want these people taking more of our freedoms. I was at the capitol as many times as I could be, and saw you there representing us, and appriciate that. Evrybody, should know ,"I", think the outcome would be worse without Rifleman and chc. Thanks again.

Very kind of you to say so. There were so many people working so very hard to kill this bill, and I am confident we would have were it not for the corruption in the political process. We're going to need your support if we are to win it back, so thank you for your steadfast determination.

We haven't lost the war, just this battle. I hope to see some kind of legal action by CHC, COHA, USSA, etc. after the first of the year. Just got me a new black and tan pup out of Enid, OK. and I will be one coon huntin' son of a bitch after the first. -Pete

Pete,

Hopefully, sometime in early January I will interview Nancy Foley head of the California Department of Fish and " Wildlife" for FullCry on their intended enforcement policy. Again, hopefully, I get more than a "no comment".

Nancy Foley was Chief of Enforcement rather than Director of the entire agency. Secondly, she retired in August.

bigboarstopper,

I doubt the Dfg will impliment this hound tag system.

I do, too, though it has nothing to do with whether or not a legislator introduces another anti-hunting bill. DFG and the Commission have always had the authority to establish a program of this kind, and they didn't need, nor are they obligated to, 1221 to establish one.

It seem more logical to me that the legislators will be presenting another bill this upcoming year using the same template as the bear and bobcat bill to ban the use of dogs for all mammal hunting. Why wouldn't they? HSUS has said in the past that they will do this piece by piece. They have a roadmap that has worked very easily for bear and bobcat. Why not simply replace "bear and bobcat" to "all mammals" and shove the same bill through again??

Obviously, only HSUS and their ilk in the legislature know what their plans for 2013 are. However, I personally do not think they will introduce a follow-up bill to 1221 in the coming year. 1221 took way more energy, effort, money, and political capital than they ever dreamed, and they aren't likely to have the will to attempt a repeat. In addition, going after all other mammals so soon after 1221 harms their portrayal of themselves as merely going after the egregious forms of hunting...there isn't a market for fox gall bladders nor are there any negative stereotypes of cottontail hunters for them to perpetuate that I am aware of. In addition, they might raise the ire of agriculture by going after the ability to hunt hogs and coyote. Finally, I don't think the governor would sign a follow up bill. Again, this is all just speculation on my part.

In fact it would be much easier this time as there is only a fraction of houndsman left from the last bill.

Why do you think that only a fraction of houndsmen will be left? Do you think that many hound hunters will have moved or quit in a year? While a portion may have done one or the other, I certainly don't think the majority will have by then.

Kerry,

DOES CHC OR ANY OTHER OF OUR ADVOCATES HAVE A PLAN FOR THE NEXT STEP....ie GET IT TIED UP IN COURT HIRE A LAWYER TO START THE BALL ROLLING TO GET IT TIED U[P IN COURT.

As I have said before, CHC is investigating all options, but won't be sharing any strategies lest they get out to unintended audiences.

JOSH TOLD US THAT THEY HAVE MORE THAN 300,000 IN THE BANK.

No, I didn't say that because we have far more than that in the bank. I won't say how much specifically because this is the WORLD WIDE WEB and the information is not appropriate for everybody.

HIRE SOME PROPLE TO GET OUR BEAR HUNTING BACK. I COULD GIVE TWO SHITS BOUT GETTIN GPS BACK. JUST WANNA KNOW WHATS THE NEXT STEP. WITH ALL THAT MONEY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO THROW IT AT SOMEONE TO HELP US OUT. CAUSE IF BIGBOARSTOPPER IS RIGHT AND I THIMNK HE IS ANINT GONNA BE NO RESON FOR CHC AND ALL THE MONEY IN THE BANK. SPEND IT

Money is not as much of a challenge as the feasibility of a revocation is. There is no silver bullet to reversing the ban.


Jason,

I emailed josh about this with no answer I am beginning to think chc has thrown in the towl. I hope not, but the lack of answers is not good.

These kinds of statements are not only unfounded, but unhelpful to our cause.

A lack of a reply to an email to me has nothing to do with CHC's intentions. While I happen to be the 2012 President, I am not CHC...the organization is far bigger and more important than any one person.

I don't know who will be the 2013 President (other than the fact that it won't be me), but CHC is not throwing in the towel.


Alex,

When will be know if F&G has adopted the hound tag program? January 1st?

Typically, proposals for amendments to the mammal regulations are presented in February, commented on by the public for at least 45 days thereafter, discussed and potentially revised by the Commission, and then adopted in whole or in part in late April.


Clint,

i believe in two weeks in lassen county fish and game is going to have a meeting about how they are going to enforce things. I plan on attending and when i find out more ill be sure to share.

Did the meeting take place? If so, what was said?


Larry,

Now that bear hunting is illegal with hounds, what's the need to have dog closer zones ? Has anyone heard if the closers will be dropped from the Regs ?

The motivation for the closed zones exists regardless of whether or not hunting bear with hounds is legal. In other words, the desire of the DFG biologists to afford young wildlife with a degree of isolation from hounds remains for as long as the potential for disrupting young wildlife remains...that's not going away just because 1221 was passed.

fallriverwalker,

hey foik;s i'm not as worried about a hound tag ;as i am about what i was told today by a friend 'who happens to be a taxidermist ' he deals with the fish cop's o n a daily basis .he was talking to the warden about this new law and how it was just a bunch of crap ' the warden said he didnt care that in 2 yrs ; they wont run anything with dog;s in this state and that was just fine with him

Oh, so you heard from a taxidermist who heard from a warden that two years from now there would be no use of dogs for hunting...and that makes it true, huh?

still wondering what the state org is thinking about' fish and wild life is our friends ha ha sounds like it to me

1. The speculation or opinion of a single employee of the agency is not necessarily an indication of, or indictment against, the position of the whole agency. This is as equally ignorant as saying that one bad houndsman makes us all bad.
2. I'm guessing you are implying that it was me, but please cite the quote where a representative of CHC said that DFG is our "friend."