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I see on here all the time leave them in the tree to run another day. Just curious on how many cats have ya all taken. My self it's two. Just wondering how many have practiced what they preach

I my self have taken 1 and my oldest daughter took 1, everything else had been let go to catch another day.

I have taken 3 cats on huge tom , a female who ambushed me and 2 pups I had on leashes walking them on her day old track, and a calf killing female. When I guide, toms die. But in all between cats and bears about 10 % get shot. The rest live another day. the work starts when they hit the ground.

I have only taken one big old tom! When we have hunters we only take mature toms.

I have yet to personally kill one...sure like lookin' at them though! When I catch that big toad I might take one...

Killed 1 and it was a nice Tom in 9 years of lion huntin I want to kill a Really big Tom one day but its way more fun to leave em and then theyre still out there next time you want to chase em!!

Haven't killed one yet and don't plan on it anytime soon.

the problem may not be you. when you walk away. its out of our hands. i hunt a own now because what was my friends. tree a cat come home next day they walk them out and tree and kill them. where i live one cat kill a year hurts the next day. not as many as one would think.

I don't know many people who won't kill a nice tom lion, with the exception of myself and maybe one or two other guys. And those guys will ride along and help somebody else kill them the first chance they get. I walked away from a really nice tom lion on a harvest unit the end of October and heard one of the locals popped him recently on good snow, so you can never be assured of anyhthing other than that tom will live t least one more day after you release it.

When I tree a toad these days I ask myself, will killing this lion make me a better man, more of a hunter, a more successful hunter, or why should I drop the hammer on him? Then the answer always comes back that killing a treed animal has never made any man more of a man, just a person that had personal needs to end that tom's days. I figure in catching that tom I had a successful day, and that killing him does not make me more of a man, and then walking away knowing I didn't have to makes it all work for me...............

But I have knocked plenty of lions out of the tree, and have had plenty of clients do the same so my hands do have blood on them. Maybe it's easier to walk away after a man has been there and done that, or maybe it's easier as we get older and have less to prove to the world, but in the end dead lions don't leave tracks and people who want more to run better learn that.........

I didn't kill any lions last year, and have not killed any this year but who knows cause that decision may well change under the next tree.

ike

I killed a nice Tom eleven years ago and haven't killed one since. Have seen five others killed since then, and none over my own dogs. Enjoy running them too much, and they don't seem to run as good when they are dead. All the guys I run with have the same philosophy.

Ok I think I have my answer !

After reading this thread and many others that pertain to the mind set of leave them in the tree to run another day or is it more like all you week end warriors should leave them in the tree so the outfitters can keep the quota's open for clients. Whether they kill a cat or we all know the chance of killing one has to be there. On a differat thead one outfitter stated that he would hire up to six trucks to run on friday nights after new snow to shut down those evil week end warriors. I do believe in leaving them in the tree to run another day on the hope it makes the season.

I have hunted lions since i was able to hunt on my own and have guided lion hunts for about 5 or so years now, and when i am guiding I make sure that my hunters only kill toms if i can help it.If it is the first couple days of a guys hunt,I wont even turn loose on female tracks,but as anyone who has guided knows,your client is there to kill a cat so when it comes down to the last couple days and you havent cut a track and then you cut a female track you cant really tell the dude ,"no,you have to go home empty handed and $3,500 poorer because we aint gonna shoot a female".I hate doin it but usually those guys aint houndsmen and they dont get that you cant run dead kittys.I personaly have never killed a cat in the 15 or so years that i have been running them.It is getting so hard these days to find cats because everyone kills everything they put in a tree.Sometimes i wish that my clients would just be content with taking pictures and letting the cat walk to be treed another day,but most of them just want to kill a cat and they dont care if I get to run it again or not.If you think about it,by killing one female lion,you are killing the kittens that she would have had, and the kittens they would have had and so on and so forth.Thats allot of cats that we wont ever be able to run.I say tree em and let em walk so you can catch em another day.

Ok I know I'm new to hounds. and don't know if I should even put my two cents in but to the guides that do hire people to stop the weekend guys witch I am not. but I have been Told after sitting on a track for 2 hours waiting for the sun to come up. to leave They have a hunter that wants that cat go find another is bs. Just cause they want a check. And the guides that preach leave it in the tree you don't practice what you preach I know a few houndsmen that guide for deer elk and what not but only guide people to the tree that have a camera for a gun and they like it better that way they say they pay better so there is other ways of practicing what you preach that killing and IMO even if you don't kill the lion you ended it's tracks.

Im not quite sure what you are tryin to say.I have read ur post like 10 times and its kinda tough to follow.I aint tryin to be a dick or anything either.If you are saying that there are no guides that are true houndsmen,well you might stir up a hornets nest on here.I have been a houndsman way longer than i have been a guide and It has always bothered me when I tree a female lion and a guy shoots it out.I did sign up for the guide job though and I will do my damndest to get my hunter the cat that he considers a trophy and just paid good money for.I have tried to talk guys out of killin females before,but if they wanna do it then i kinda gotta role with it.I really hope you are not trying to say that there are no cats left because of guides because that is horse s#&$. I know more weekend warriors that kill everything they put in the tree than i do guides hands down.I have seen guys shine a tree with 10 coons in it and without even turnin dogs loose,they unleash the .22 and kill every one of them.I have also seen guys shoot kittens out just to "make better dogs".Is that a true houndsmen to you??As far as someone coming up to you and telling you to leave a track that you found,unless its their property,I would just nut up and tell em where to shove it.And im not sure how you end a cats tracks just by treeing it and taking pictures.I have treed a few kittys in my day and 95% of them are still makin tracks.Not sure what ur tryin to say but i hope i helped ya out a bit.

twowalkers wrote:Ok I know I'm new to hounds. and don't know if I should even put my two cents in but to the guides that do hire people to stop the weekend guys witch I am not. but I have been Told after sitting on a track for 2 hours waiting for the sun to come up. to leave They have a hunter that wants that cat go find another is bs. Just cause they want a check. And the guides that preach leave it in the tree you don't practice what you preach I know a few houndsmen that guide for deer elk and what not but only guide people to the tree that have a camera for a gun and they like it better that way they say they pay better so there is other ways of practicing what you preach that killing and IMO even if you don't kill the lion you ended it's tracks.

Hi catslayer sorry about the read my wife says I ramble when I wright I guess she is right lol.To the point of what I meant was every one says dead lions leave no tracks leave them in the tree and don't kill female lions but the guides are the bigest souce of conservation we have and in turn the most responsibility to save the lion population and no I don't think a guide should let a hunter take a female even if it means no check yes I know that is easy for me to say but that is how I feel.and for that matter ithink it should be aginst the law for females to be taken just like doe or cow elk as for you thinking I think guides ar the reason there are no cats not what I meant there are a lot of guides out there that don't give a dang and put pressure on a hunter to take the game just to collect a check there is a big difference between a houndsmen and a guy with hounds I'm not saying you are not a houndsmen And at that point yes the weekend warrior does take a lot of game Sorry if I don't make any sense feel free to give me a pm and I will give you my number and a will explain over the phone

catslayer wrote:Im not quite sure what you are tryin to say.I have read ur post like 10 times and its kinda tough to follow.I aint tryin to be a dick or anything either.If you are saying that there are no guides that are true houndsmen,well you might stir up a hornets nest on here.I have been a houndsman way longer than i have been a guide and It has always bothered me when I tree a female lion and a guy shoots it out.I did sign up for the guide job though and I will do my damndest to get my hunter the cat that he considers a trophy and just paid good money for.I have tried to talk guys out of killin females before,but if they wanna do it then i kinda gotta role with it.I really hope you are not trying to say that there are no cats left because of guides because that is horse s#&$. I know more weekend warriors that kill everything they put in the tree than i do guides hands down.I have seen guys shine a tree with 10 coons in it and without even turnin dogs loose,they unleash the .22 and kill every one of them.I have also seen guys shoot kittens out just to "make better dogs".Is that a true houndsmen to you??As far as someone coming up to you and telling you to leave a track that you found,unless its their property,I would just nut up and tell em where to shove it.And im not sure how you end a cats tracks just by treeing it and taking pictures.I have treed a few kittys in my day and 95% of them are still makin tracks.Not sure what ur tryin to say but i hope i helped ya out a bit.

twowalkers wrote:Ok I know I'm new to hounds. and don't know if I should even put my two cents in but to the guides that do hire people to stop the weekend guys witch I am not. but I have been Told after sitting on a track for 2 hours waiting for the sun to come up. to leave They have a hunter that wants that cat go find another is bs. Just cause they want a check. And the guides that preach leave it in the tree you don't practice what you preach I know a few houndsmen that guide for deer elk and what not but only guide people to the tree that have a camera for a gun and they like it better that way they say they pay better so there is other ways of practicing what you preach that killing and IMO even if you don't kill the lion you ended it's tracks.