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Out of curiosity, I was wondering if anyone has, or knows of, any pure Camerons that are top dryground lion hounds. I personally only know of Bundrick's Buckaroo, but he is 7/8 Cameron.

Tim,

Doesn't seem like a whole lot of folks want to jump up in defense of the Camerons on dirt lions. Maybe they are all off pursuit bear hunting or fishing. I just started in this sport a short time ago but I have heard huge tales of the Camerons on dirt lions I mean from guys that have been in this sport some for nearly 5 or 6 years, but I have never seen it. I want to and maybe if I am in the right place at the right time with the right guy I wil,l but I haven't. But then again I have only been to the woods with several DOZEN Cameron raised dogs, and only owned 2 myself that came from Del.

If Caddilacs cost a little more that's ok because when the word gets around that they really do out perform others similar cars the greedy buying public will make a way to purchase them. But when they find out they are just paying more for a hyped up ads and underneath the chassis and guts is just another Chevy they seem to want to hold on to their money a bit longer. What in the sam hell ever made anybody think that Del Cameron was a dry ground lion hunter?

Good lord he lives in the snow belt of north west Montana. Dah!!!

Mike Leonard wrote:Tim,
What in the sam hell ever made anybody think that Del Cameron was a dry ground lion hunter?

Good lord he lives in the snow belt of north west Montana. Dah!!!

I guess you southern boys got those Cameron dogs straightened out huh?

ike

What is your expereince with them Dennis? Just interested surely in the unitah basin with a hound dogger on about every corner you must have bumped in to one or two over the years.

I had a buddy who had a half Cameron bred dog given or traded to him from a plott guy. At first he thought that little dog was ok, as it barked and trailed a bobcat. I don't know what ever happened to that blue dog but the only thing he has in his kennel these days came from my stuff Mike??????????

ike

i have heard a lot about some camerons doing good in the dirt, myself i have never seen it, i dont do alot on dry ground but the best dry dogs i have seen is a strain of dollins bred plotts from a guy here in utah. this is just my .02

Yeh Mike, it's just that in the last 10 or so years, I can count on one hand the ones I have heard of. With my memory like it is, I can't seem to remember but a couple. One was the male Chris T. had. He said it was pretty fair, but he bred it right into his other stuff. I don't talk to a whole lot of dryground guys, but just haven't heard of very many.
I was thinking that with all the people on here, someone might know of a few more ?

I got a cameron female from Jeff a couple years ago that is a good dirt lion dog. Big Mike watched a tom lion knock her off a rock some time back, but it didn"t hurt her.
There was a little snow that day , but she does good on dirt. Jeff picked her up a after three previous owners gave up on her. She got to see lots of lion tracks in the dust and took to it. One of my best bear dogs is a cameron male, will rig , start the track, put some bite on one and tree hard and loud , but would be a cull as a lion dog. There is probably some dogs in every breed that could trail El-Gato in the dirt if given the chance. But if you want to cut across and save time , go with the proven dirt lion dogs.
Just my openion , but it came from lots of years of doing it wrong

Only had two occasions of firsthand knowledge with Camerons. First was a male a very good houndsman buddy owned. We were running bears in the dirt in So. CA. The dog just didn't have the nose that we needed. He also didn't have the drive that we were used to. The second dog was a young dog that a local houndsman here in CO. bought as a pup. This dog was horrible in almost every aspect. Very little drive to chase, what I call a bableing bluetick, he just barked at everything all the time for no reason. He had a mean streak in him and would jump another male for no reason. After he bit me once, his collar went home empty. I haven't had very good luck with pure blues for some reason.

Tim,

I hope my response didn't trigger too much trouble but it was an honest one. I was also contacted by a person I consider one of the consumate professional lion hunters of today but I will leave his name out of this. He has had a lot or Camerons and still owns some he hunts a variety of country and he catches a lot, I mean a lot of lions. He said he didn't feel they were the type for true dry or bare ground lion hunting. He said qualifying a dry ground lion dog as one who can trail thru a dried out , or blown out south slope is still not the same as 100% bare dry ground lion hunting. I had to agree, even though it can be murder and really does show some dogs off that stand at the top of the pack it still doesn't qualify them for dogs that can excell on 100% BARE DRY GROUND ALL THE TIME.

All this being said I am sure there are some dogs out there with Del's breding behind them that are top notch on the dirt, just not very many of them


If I was looking for a beaty of a convertable sportscar I probably would be more inclines to look in San Diego than I would in Toronto.

Can you have different levels of "dry ground"? Is dry ground anything other than snow?
There are to many variables in "dry ground" tracks. Down here in Southern AZ 5:00 am is a whole lot different than 8:00 am. Those blue dogs will likely take a dry ground track off a kill and maybe they wont. They may strike a track from being free casted and the same situation the next day you get nothing. The best thing to do is try the dog. Try it with another dog that you know is proven. I have seen most bare ground dogs down here just seem to be mixed with what ever works. remember there are culls in every litter.

well for TOP lion dog in dirt, I wouldnt look in toronto either,but i have seen lil'blue and i would have been enclined to look else where 4 quote southern blood,and that was with SNOW''''LOL....liontracker i would say that erics buckshot dog would be up there,but he wasnt dirt hunted as much nor did his age help....

Mike, so far so good, no pissin' matches yet!LOL

10-4 on that Buckshot dog.

I am talking about an absolutely 100% dirt dog, one that can equal or exceed the best SW bred hounds of today. Looks to be a tall order to fill...

When you see one that exceed the best of the old strain hound today on 100% dirt bare ground you let me know cuz I will go check it out. There are a lot of dogs hailed as the old strain but in fact there are only a couple of families of hounds left that are still in tremendous deman by hunters who must have this type to be successful.

Yes there are levels of dry ground but you better plan to choose for the toughest levels becasue any where you cast them you are liabale to hit that spot pretty dang quick. From one side of the hill to another and can change a whole lot.


I got a feeling there may be some hounds born this very day that might bump the bar to a new level. Now that is an exciting thought!

So it sounds like you or a buddy has some pups on the way, go ahead and gell us about them Mike................