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this could be under the training , breeding forum but i thought i would put it here . i have seen people wright that there dog hunts for them and not for there self. i totaly disagry. sorry about the spelling im drinking . if you are looking for a dog , dont u want the natural? let the dog do what is does . im not saying let it run deer, elk, ect. im saying give it some rane. i think to many people try to correct a young dog to quick.

have u ever seen that young dog do more than u expect. baying a bear by its self , start a cat in front of your top catdog.

how close were u to shock it ?

let your young dog have its own independence,curiosity.

when a dog is young i dont care if it is treeing i put more into the independence and want to . all of this comes after the athletic ability . i hold that higher than anything. brains are not as important to me as most. but they are up there in what it take to make a top dog.

if a dog has determination , brains ,ability u will catch game.

i left some openings for more things that i would add so u guys can add to this.

jc

JC: your are right, let the young dogs have a chance. I run them all at the same time the young ones have just as much chance to get it right or not as the old dogs do. They will not learn in the box and there is very little you can teach them there. I don't correct a young dog until they have been on enough good game to know what they are to suppose to run. By 18 t0 20 months they should be looking pretty good. Not perfect but doing well and adding to catching that cat. They have to be on game to learn to catch it. Dewey

I totally agree a young dog cant learn nothing at home but a handle should be put on any young dog before being thrown into a race as it sure makes it more enjoyable as they seem to have more of a sense of what you are wanting from them. Andy

twist wrote:I totally agree a young dog cant learn nothing at home but a handle should be put on any young dog before being thrown into a race as it sure makes it more enjoyable as they seem to have more of a sense of what you are wanting from them. Andy

I agree with that. Pups are like kids they need some boundries set. That being said they also need tons of praise when they do well. Always try to make it a positive experience and they respond in kind.

I agree, dogs learn nothing at home. I never leave any young dog at home. From the time they are 4 months old, they are in the truck every single time until they are going hunting, or gone. As pups they are walked hunted with the big dogs coon hunting, they get a real good handle on them then. Then come bear season (if they are over 9 months old) they are up on the box, roaded, and let loose right behind the older dogs. I never leave them in the box to make sure its a good track, or let the others line it out. I unsnap the old bitches and before they can leave the road, them pups are right behind them. It's either make or break here. Everyone gets that same opportunity - and they better make the best of it.

Well stated Redwood!!!

I'm with Redwood! Let'tem go and be dogs.

Thats what them old dogs are for, I got me a 11 year old hound that teaches my young uns how to hunt, I just fine tune em later on. Nothin better then watchin an older dog open up on a track and a young one opening up because the old one is, they don't know what they opening up on but they see the older one doing it so they have to. Kinda funny to watch sometimes!

Ofcoarse this is so much easier said than done but..... If a young hound puts himself out there and is allowed to make some mistakes for as long as it takes to Trust its hunter, Get comfortable with the other dogs and its hunting environment. Enough to become confident enough to act on its instinct to the fullest of its natural ability without hesitation or indecision, then it will probably make a good dog or the best to its natural ability. If that same young hound puts himself out there and gets the shit knocked out of him every time he makes a mistake or poor decision then pretty soon he will lose confidence and wont be putting himself out there anymore. It seems everyone puts so much emphisis on the word broke. It is a word that should never be used on dogs under 3 years old. If I was to judge my hound hunting success on how broke my dogs have been over the years, then I think I would find hound hunting some what disappointing. But lucky for me I dont look at it that way. I judge success with how much game I see up a tree. Although I do expect progression from year to year. My young dogs are not broke and even if they were I probably would'nt believe it. Each year hunters ruin alot of good dogs trying to break them. I prefer the word managable, because for me and the way I hunt, dogs that are managable produce more game and turn out better in the long run for me. You see I dont mind as much if my managable dog's make a mistake because how else would we learn. If you look at it like that managable starts to sound pretty good. Thankyou. John

Warner5 wrote:Ofcoarse this is so much easier said than done but..... If a young hound puts himself out there and is allowed to make some mistakes for as long as it takes to Trust its hunter, Get comfortable with the other dogs and its hunting environment. Enough to become confident enough to act on its instinct to the fullest of its natural ability without hesitation or indecision, then it will probably make a good dog or the best to its natural ability. If that same young hound puts himself out there and gets the shit knocked out of him every time he makes a mistake or poor decision then pretty soon he will lose confidence and wont be putting himself out there anymore. It seems everyone puts so much emphisis on the word broke. It is a word that should never be used on dogs under 3 years old. If I was to judge my hound hunting success on how broke my dogs have been over the years, then I think I would find hound hunting some what disappointing. But lucky for me I dont look at it that way. I judge success with how much game I see up a tree. Although I do expect progression from year to year. My young dogs are not broke and even if they were I probably would'nt believe it. Each year hunters ruin alot of good dogs trying to break them. I prefer the word managable, because for me and the way I hunt, dogs that are managable produce more game and turn out better in the long run for me. You see I dont mind as much if my managable dog's make a mistake because how else would we learn. If you look at it like that managable starts to sound pretty good. Thankyou. John

This is the best post I have read so far:)

coastrangecathunting wrote:this could be under the training , breeding forum but i thought i would put it here . i have seen people wright that there dog hunts for them and not for there self. i totaly disagry. sorry about the spelling im drinking . if you are looking for a dog , dont u want the natural? let the dog do what is does . im not saying let it run deer, elk, ect. im saying give it some rane. i think to many people try to correct a young dog to quick.

have u ever seen that young dog do more than u expect. baying a bear by its self , start a cat in front of your top catdog.

how close were u to shock it ?

let your young dog have its own independence,curiosity.

when a dog is young i dont care if it is treeing i put more into the independence and want to . all of this comes after the athletic ability . i hold that higher than anything. brains are not as important to me as most. but they are up there in what it take to make a top dog.

if a dog has determination , brains ,ability u will catch game.

i left some openings for more things that i would add so u guys can add to this.

jc

That's perfect! you summed up my thoughts on it.