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WA hound hunting bill passes

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:35 pm
by Emily
from the Wenatchee World
http://wenatcheeworld.com/apps/pbcs.dll ... 99427/1001

Bill on hunting cougars with dogs passes House

By K.C. Mehaffey
World staff writer
Posted February 22, 2008
OLYMPIA -- The state House of Representatives passed a bill Tuesday that would extend by three years a pilot program that allows limited hound hunting for cougars in Chelan, Okanogan and other counties.

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House Bill 2438 initially tried to make hunting cougars with dogs permanent in counties where human encounters with the big cats warrant.

The modified bill now extends the state's study of how hound hunting season of a specified number of cougars impacts the number of cougar complaints and encounters with humans.

The extended pilot program would include Chelan, Okanogan, Ferry, Stevens and Pend Oreille counties, which were involved in the first four years of the study. Other counties could be added to to the extended program.

After passing 66-29, the bill now goes to the state Senate for consideration.

Animal advocacy groups say they'll push hard to convince the Senate not to pass the bill.

"These cougars are shot randomly, whether or not they've ever been involved in a conflict," said Lynn Sadler, executive director and CEO of the Mountain Lion Foundation, a national nonprofit group dedicated to the protection of cougars.

Sadler said some experts on mountain lions believe that hunting the big cats with dogs actually increases the likelihood of conflict, because the more human-wary older cats get taken by trophy hunters, while the younger ones, which are more likely to be problem cougars, get left in the gene pool.

Inga Gibson, Washington State director for the Humane Society of the United States, said there's no reason to gather three more years of data, while continuing to kill cougars, which in some areas are experiencing significant population declines.

She said the bill goes directly against the will of voters, who passed Initiative 655 in 1996 to prohibit hound hunting.

She said the law already allows the state to issue permits to hunt down problem cougars, and her group supports other ways to prevent conflicts, including a more aggressive education program on living with mountain lions.

Rep. Joel Kretz, R-Wauconda, said he preferred his original bill, which made hound hunting permanent, but he's hopeful this compromise will pass the Senate.

"I think we've got a decent shot, but the animal rights groups have a lot of money," he said.

Without this bill, Kretz predicts that cougars in his 7th District will become more numerous, and bolder, until the state is again dealing with a huge problem.

"We had cougars at bus stops and following kids to school. Frankly, if this doesn't pass, we're going to lose a kid, and the blood will be on the hands of the legislators who didn't do all they could to protect them," he said.

K.C. Mehaffey: 997-2512

mehaffeywenworld.com

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:29 am
by Emily
Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation
"Protecting our Outdoor Heritage - A United Sportsmen's Voice"
PO Box 625
Republic, WA 99166
509-775-2936
www.w4wc.org

Contact: Jeff Christensen (425) 308-7583

Here we go, folks. We need to hit this and hit it hard.

The bill was originally going to make the pilot program permanent. The anti's finessed the bill and it was all but dead but we were able to get it amended and passed out of the House and on to the Senate.

Please contact your Senator ASAP and politely ask that s/he support HB 2438. To show you how important that everyone call and make their voice be heard...

When I called my Senator, Mike Hobbs, today his office had not had anyone call in support of the bill yet - All the contacts they had received so far were against the bill!!

Please, send the email or make the call. In only takes a moment.


From Ed...

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Ladies and gentlemen

This bill became a major target on Monday with HSUS and the other outfits in the animal rights alphabet soup mix managing to kill the bill -- and us being able to fight back on Tuesday and win with about a half hour to go before the House of Origin cutoff. The "polite" way to put it is that HSUS, etc. were more than just a tad "upset." They remain more than "just a tad" upset.

Our allies in the Senate advise that the animal rights network in the state has become unglued - in a major way - and launched an across the board, all-out frontal assault against the bill with contacts (emails and hotline messages) coming in to every member of the Senate.

We are "officially" at war. We won the first battle and now must fight round two. We'll deal with round three if we are successful in getting this bill passed in the Senate (round three is the Governor). Wining this fight in the Senate requires maximum effort by every friend we can bring to the table. It also means were now in the middle of a numbers game.

What needs to happen?

Individuals can leave a message for their Senator through the in-state toll-free Hotline number at 800.562.6000 or by email. Email addresses, etc. for the Senate are:

Name
E-mail
District
Party
Senator Don Benton
benton.don@leg.wa.gov
District 17
R

Senator Jean Berkey
berkey.jean@leg.wa.gov
District 38
D

Senator Dale Brandland
brandland.dale@leg.wa.gov
District 42
R

Senator Lisa Brown
brown.lisa@leg.wa.gov
District 3
D

Senator Mike Carrell
carrell.michael@leg.wa.gov
District 28
R

Senator Jerome Delvin
delvin.jerome@leg.wa.gov
District 8
R

Senator Tracey Eide
eide.tracey@leg.wa.gov
District 30
D

Senator Darlene Fairley
fairley.darlene@leg.wa.gov
District 32
D

Senator Rosa Franklin
franklin.rosa@leg.wa.gov
District 29
D

Senator Karen Fraser
fraser.karen@leg.wa.gov
District 22
D

Senator James Hargrove
hargrove.jim@leg.wa.gov
District 24
D

Senator Brian Hatfield
hatfield.brian@leg.wa.gov
District 19
D

Senator Mary Margaret Haugen
haugen.marymargaret@leg.wa.gov
District 10
D

Senator Mike Hewitt
hewitt.mike@leg.wa.gov
District 16
R

Senator Steve Hobbs
hobbs.steve@leg.wa.gov
District 44
D

Senator Janéa Holmquist
holmquist.janea@leg.wa.gov
District 13
R

Senator Jim Honeyford
honeyford.jim@leg.wa.gov
District 15
R

Senator Ken Jacobsen
jacobsen.ken@leg.wa.gov
District 46
D

Senator Jim Kastama
kastama.jim@leg.wa.gov
District 25
D

Senator Claudia Kauffman
kauffman.claudia@leg.wa.gov
District 47
D

Senator Karen Keiser
keiser.karen@leg.wa.gov
District 33
D

Senator Derek Kilmer
kilmer.derek@leg.wa.gov
District 26
D

Senator Curtis King
king.curtis@leg.wa.gov
District 14
R

Senator Adam Kline
kline.adam@leg.wa.gov
District 37
D

Senator Jeanne Kohl-Welles
kohl-welles.jeanne@leg.wa.gov
District 36
D

Senator Chris Marr
marr.chris@leg.wa.gov
District 6
D

Senator Rosemary McAuliffe
mcauliffe.rosemary@leg.wa.gov
District 1
D

Senator Bob McCaslin
mccaslin.bob@leg.wa.gov
District 4
R

Senator Joe McDermott
mcdermott.joe@leg.wa.gov
District 34
D

Senator Bob Morton
morton.bob@leg.wa.gov
District 7
R

Senator Ed Murray
murray.edward@leg.wa.gov
District 43
D

Senator Eric Oemig
oemig.eric@leg.wa.gov
District 45
D

Senator Linda Evans Parlette
parlette.linda@leg.wa.gov
District 12
R

Senator Cheryl Pflug
pflug.cheryl@leg.wa.gov
District 5
R

Senator Margarita Prentice
prentice.margarita@leg.wa.gov
District 11
D

Senator Craig Pridemore
pridemore.craig@leg.wa.gov
District 49
D

Senator Marilyn Rasmussen
rasmussen.marilyn@leg.wa.gov
District 2
D

Senator Debbie Regala
regala.debbie@leg.wa.gov
District 27
D

Senator Pam Roach
roach.pam@leg.wa.gov
District 31
R

Senator Phil Rockefeller
rockefeller.phil@leg.wa.gov
District 23
D

Senator Mark Schoesler
schoesler.mark@leg.wa.gov
District 9
R

Senator Tim Sheldon
sheldon.timothy@leg.wa.gov
District 35
D

Senator Paull Shin
shin.paull@leg.wa.gov
District 21
D

Senator Harriet Spanel
spanel.harriet@leg.wa.gov
District 40
D

Senator Val Stevens
stevens.val@leg.wa.gov
District 39
R

Senator Dan Swecker
swecker.dan@leg.wa.gov
District 20
R

Senator Rodney Tom
tom.rodney@leg.wa.gov
District 48
D

Senator Brian Weinstein
weinstein.brian@leg.wa.gov
District 41
D

Senator Joseph Zarelli
zarelli.joseph@leg.wa.gov
District 18
R

yippee

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:26 pm
by coonhound
Yippee 66 to 29 wow
Thanks for the infos! :P

coonhound

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:24 pm
by Buddyw
What was ammended??

Sorry just got back from the woods?

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:16 pm
by Travis Stirek
Buddy it was ammended from being permenent to another three year extension with other counties being allowed to opt in if they can show a need.

from the Seattle Post Intelligencer

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:10 pm
by Emily
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/642 ... hunts.html

Lawmakers look at expanding the use of hound dogs in cougar hunts
By MANUEL VALDES
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

OLYMPIA, Wash. -- For Rep. Joel Kretz and many hunters, using tracking dogs in cougar hunts is an ethical, effective way to control the state's mountain lion population. To animal-rights activists, it's a cruel and unfair practice.

Now a measure being considered in Olympia has pitted these two sides against each other once again, riling up feelings left over from a heated fight 12 years ago over a state initiative that banned the use of hounds in hunts of cougars, bears and bobcats.

Last week, the House approved a measure sponsored by Kretz that would extend an existing pilot program that allows hunters to use hound dogs in cougar hunts.

Animal-rights activists cried foul, proclaiming in an e-mail that House Speaker Frank Chopp supervised a back room deal that didn't include input from those against the measure. The deal was an amendment that changed the bill from permanent implementation to a three-year extension.

Big Wildlife, the organization that sent out the release, retracted its comments this week, saying it now only criticizes Chopp for allowing the bill get a floor vote.

The measure now heads to the Senate where it is scheduled for a hearing in the natural resources committee.

The bill would extend the program for another three years on top of the four years it has existed and it would allow all counties to join the pilot project. Currently, only five counties in northeastern Washington are included.

"Our bottom line, seven years of killing cougars is not a pilot project," said Inga Gibson, director of the Humane Society in Washington state. "It's continued sport hunting of these animals. It's against the will of Washington voters."

In 1996, using television commercials that depicted graphic images of hound hunts, a coalition of animal-rights groups fiercely backed Initiative 655, pouring money into the campaign to ban the practice. They were successful, with 63 percent of voters in the state approving the ban.

The initiative banned the use of hound dogs for sport hunting, but allowed tracking dogs to trap or kill problematic animals.

The defeat left hunting supporters reeling, prompting Democrat and Republican lawmakers to introduce bills through the years attempting to circumvent the initiative. They were finally successful in 2004, when the pilot project allowing hound hunts in northeastern Washington cleared the Legislature.

But the Department of Fish and Wildlife's statewide response to the initiative was even more dramatic, rolling back restrictions on cougar hunts after the initiative passed, lowering the cost of permits from $24 to $5, extending the hunting season by four months, and the number of kills allowed per hunter.

The policy change led to an exponential spike in cougar kills, from around 145 in 1997 to 300 in 2001. Since then, kills have leveled off, with the 2004-2005 season reporting about 200 kills, according to department figures.

"Fish and Wildlife just hates people's initiatives," Rep. Hans Dunshee, D-Snohomish. "They think they are the God of wildlife and they should be the only ones to do anything. They have actively worked against the people's will anytime they can."

If both sides agree on something, it's the criticism of the way the Department of Fish and Wildlife handled cougar hunts.

"The real mission of the hound component is a more of a targeted (hunt), instead of issuing a lot of permits," Kretz said.

After the pilot program was passed, the Fish and Wildlife department scratched the expansions in the five counties under the pilot program.

Kretz, R-Wauconda, said tracking cougars with hounds allows a hunter to pick the right cougar to kill. And the use of dogs even without a successful hunt, Kretz said, conditions cougars to fear humans, which might keep them away from populated areas. The pilot program also established a quota to protect female cougars from being over hunted.

Kretz owns a ranch in Okanogan County, in the northeastern part of the state. Cougars, he said, have attacked his livestock, and once prowled near his son when he was nine.

"We've had cougars in people's yard, in their porch, watching kids on playgrounds, livestock and pets killed," Kretz said. "I don't think urban dwellers, that will never be impacted by cougars, should be deciding how rural people should deal with them."

Most cougars live in the western United States. California completely banned cougar hunts. Oregon and Washington passed initiatives banning the use of hound dogs, but measures and policy from state agencies in both states have cleared the way to use dogs in hunts. The rest of the western states allow dogs in cougar hunts, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Fish and Wildlife contends that allowing the expanded hunt after the initiative was their way to maintain the cougar population in check. Critics said the department appeases to hunters.

"It's a real contentious issue," said Donny Martorello, the department's carnivore furbearer and special species section manager. "My job is to make sure we have a healthy sustainable cougar population, and balance it with public and property safety."

Martorello said he'd like to keep cougar population at current levels in northeastern Washington. He said hound hunting allows the department to kill the cougars they want, which are older males, and protect females and young cougars.

Animal-rights activists say that the cougar population is too low already, and that proponents of the bill are using fear tactics to push the passage of the measure.

The bill is "about people wanting to chase cougars with dogs for sport, plain and simple," said Lisa Wathne, who led the coalition that helped pass the initiative in 1996. "The majority of citizens of this state do not want that practice to be allowed. It's a black mark on our state."

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The cougar hunting using track dogs bill is HB 2438.

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On the Net:

Legislature: http://www.leg.wa.gov

Department of Fish and Wildlife: http://wdfw.wa.gov

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:07 pm
by WAcoyotehunter
Here's the list of reps that voted no to the bill. Send them an email lettign them know that you are in favor of the bill! Let the WDFW do it's job!

Representatives Appleton, Cody, Dunshee, Goodman, Green, Hudgins, Hunt, Hunter, Kagi, Lantz, Liias, Loomis, McCoy, McIntire, Miloscia, Morrell, Morris, Nelson, Pedersen, Quall, Roberts, Rolfes, Santos, Schual-Berke, Seaquist, Simpson, Sommers, Sullivan, and Upthegrove

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:16 pm
by Buddyw
More importantly I think we need to send those letters also to the senators... they are the ones that will be voting on this next..

Buddy

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:33 pm
by WAcoyotehunter
YES! Remember to use spell check and be precise.