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Ron Paul For Outdoorsmen?
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:22 am
by Mackdog
Has anyone heard Ron Paul talk about land and natural resource management?
I sent his campaign an e-mail asking about his stand on land and natural resource management, waiting for a reply. I emphasized how our heritage and traditions that pioneered this country like ranching, farming, forestry, hunting and fishing are being regulated into extinction by powerful activist groups and state and federal government.
In my opinion he would make a damn good president for this country. He is against powerful big business, lobbyists and pretty much any large greedy organization that infringes on the peoples' rights and influences the government.
I believe that any other candidate, left wing or right wing, would fall into the typical rut of letting greed and money, not common sense and freedom, run this country. For example, Ron Paul would veto a bill against hunting or gun rights that made it through congress with lobbyists and money from activists like PETA, HSUS and Sierra Club.
For those of you in states where hunting, especially running hounds, is being shut down (CA, OR & WA) I strongly encourage you to see what Ron Paul is all about. We may not be able to restore harvesting like in Idaho, but with cooperation and hard work I can see a lot of pursuit seasons opening up with quotas and/or special take permits.
It's time to quit bitching and get to work, us outdoorsmen don't have the money, but we have the right to vote and the ability to pass the word on.
Here is the link to his campaign website if you are interested in what he is about.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/
Re: Ron Paul For Outdoorsmen?
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:41 pm
by BIGBLUES
I agree he is the best candidate by far!!!
Re: Ron Paul For Outdoorsmen?
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:52 pm
by Liz ODell
I hate to be the fly in the ointment, I do like Ron Paul in general and it would be very interesting to see what he could do BUT he is not a fan of the federal lands system and would like to return all federal lands to control of the state and most to be sold to private owners.
Yes you read that right.
I am including a quote straight from the horses mouth farther down, mainly in regards to Nevada but his plan is for all the federal land in all the states, he has spoken about this on other numerous times and talked about it in his book.
While I agree the feds are going out of control with locking the people off of the people's property do we really want all that land being turned into PRIVATE PROPERTY???
I for one DO NOT want that to happen...well now if I could afford to buy a million acres I could buy this forest here and hunt all I wanted and keep all you serfs...oops I mean citizens out of my private club (now that is the same mantra being preached among many forest service employees but is privatization really a good answer, how about just a change in the employees/system?)
If you think the private is bad about locking gates now just wait until this happens (and I hope it does not).
This is Ron Pauls' BIG hole in my opinion...it was a big hole in Bush also as he wanted to sell off a ton of federal land to private.
Have you read Ron Paul's book "The Revolution; a manifesto", I would highly recommend reading that book.
There is a lot of good about Ron Paul...but damn...thats a big hole. Although at this point I'm not really sure I know who to vote for.
'During a forum in Las Vegas Wednesday, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) told the Republican audience he would like to see federal public lands in Nevada privatized.
Speaking at the Western Republican Leadership Conference, Paul declared that Nevada, which has a large percentage of federally-owned public lands, ought to become more like Texas, where “private owners” have “developed all the natural resources.” Paul went on to say “how wonderful it would be if land will be or should be returned to the states and then for the best parts sold off to private owners”:
PAUL: "Take a look at the state of Nevada. Do the people own the property in Nevada? No. Who’s the biggest landowner? It’s the federal government. I would like to see the development of this state the way that Texas had the privilege of developing. Before we went in the Union, it was owned entirely by private owners and it has developed all the natural resources, a very big state. So you can imagine how wonderful it would be if land will be or should be returned to the states and then for the best parts sold off to private owners"'
Re: Ron Paul For Outdoorsmen?
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:14 am
by mountain top
just like Texas huh? You either have pay an arm and a leg or be part of a "lease" to any substantial hunting in Texas if you're not a land owner. I like the man but ol' Teddy Roosevelt would roll over in his grave if he heard that
Re: Ron Paul For Outdoorsmen?
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:45 am
by Mackdog
I do agree with developing natural resources but not privatizing public land. Your are right, that is a big big hole. Federal land DOES belong to the people, is just isn't managed that way anymore. The Forest Service needs a major revamp i.e. GET THE COMMIES OUT OF IT!
Two springs ago I was bear hunting with several friends on 4wheelers in the Clearwater National Forest. The dogs headed into an area that we access on an existing trail used by many locals, mostly dirt bikers, 4wheelers and even hikers. We started up the trail and ran into a road closed sign, obviously we ignored it and kept going. There was a guy reclaiming the trail with a mini-ex. We had to turn around and on the way out ran into a forest circus employee coming in to do an inspection. After the initial confrontation I asked her why the trail was being reclaimed. She threw her arms up in the air and said, "Just look at all this erosion!" I lost it at that point and started yelling but to no avail. A sign was posted later claiming it was an "illegal user created trail." That trail was an old railraod bed that has been there for over a hundred years. Instead of improving the trail and stream crossings they spent even more money to reclaim it. The local 4wheeler club would have done most of the work. That is happening all over North Idaho with roads and trails.
If the forest service and other federal agencies were revamped, natural resource development will still happen. Much needed money would go to the federal government, countless and priceless jobs would be created and local economies would benefit.
I don't know what to say now, guess we are all doomed. Thanks for the info.