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Silly David, that's your problem females don't have balls. She could be 5 years old and still won't have balls.

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A buddy of mine had a dog he couldn"t get to start once .Not nearly as timid as you describe but he wasn"t doing much of anything .He showed him lions ,bobcats and coons .Dog just would not fire but he was determined to get him goin so he double snapped him to a roll cage with a 40lb coon in it .Well , between that roll cage chasing him and that booner coon trying to eat him through the wire he pretty well cured him of ever wanting anything to do with any kinda huntin after that . Comes a point where a guy just has to cut his losses .If i gotta year old dog he better be making races and treeing . He may not have to be catching his own game , but he better have a pretty good idea of whats going on .And in my experiance timid dogs usually don't work out to well .

David_Heimann wrote:So I guess some body complained enough and got my post deleted, whatever, I don't care, here it is again.

I have a redbone who is 1 year old. She was running with the other dogs, but wouldn't make it to a tree as a 6 month old pup.

I had a dog wouldn't do anything at 6 months old. Just stood in the road. She was timid as they come, wouldn't come to me when called. At a year old she would tuck her tail and run from any game. There was something about her that made me keep her. Something that told me she was just smarter than her own good. At a year old she would go with the other dogs off and on but didn't do anything good. Her and I had our falling outs when she would hang up in the woods then one day she realized coming back to the truck when called got her petted up. I just kept hunting her and playing with her around the house. One day at about 14 months she realized why we spent so much time in the woods. It clicked, and it really clicked. She was striking bobcats from the truck and going out a couple hundred yards to jump them out of their beds. It was great. She became one of my favorite dogs I have ever owned. She was light on the tree for a while then one day realized what I expected at the tree. Treed very well from then on out. She became a very nice dog, from the truck to the tree. Turns out she was just second guessing everything, smarter than her own good.

I am sure the reason your first post was deleted is because of the content. It is made pretty clear that no one needs to be posting that sort of thing on here. Besides that caged animals do your dogs no good. Dogs need time in the woods to figure things out.

I wish you the best of luck with your dog. I would give her 18 months as long as she will tag along with the other dogs. Be easy with her and help her learn what she needs. She won't learn from a boot. May turn out to be a waste of time but could turn out to be a superstar!

My advise is send her down the road, get a pup that has some promise and go from there. Buy the time they are 6 months old they should have been taught and learned most of thier handling manners. I am not saying that what George has said couldnt happen just more likely not than will. So get another pup and start over you will be glad you did. Andy

this is a big problem in all breeds and hounds.what do you do when they are shy when called even when the litter mate comes or the shy ones sister is fighting a coon at a year and the cull is watching and walks away chasing butter flys.
the problem is at 8 weeks a breeder can tell the shy ones and they are culls at that age but the money is the root of all evil so they ship him to you they hope some one likes it as a pet in your family and there is a chance they get off the hook.
its pure Bs and what is a cull is a cull at a year and the breeder knows it and they should have enough intergrity to give you a different pup or warranty there pup or dude at a year old but it is a pretty sad when they talk up there line and now just like there dud wont do a thing well thats fine i know someone who wont be selling pups out this way over one dud and the real problem when you know one might be a dud in the litter and you here there were others come on now..
this is why guys also breed there own they can tell the shy culls quick or wont buy a pup these days dont matter what you payed seems like the free back yard dogs might be as gd or better than these talked up line breed some times
at a year old after 3 or 4 times out with a pack they either leave with the older dogs opening or they dont nothing you can do pet home i would buy a dog only from a man who gives you his word he will replace the pup with another if it wont start they are out there dont waste ya time or money on anything else everything else is bs and if you want to know who wont replace duds pm me

Diver I slightly disagree but generally speaking yeah a breeder should guarantee his pups, not all pups at 8 weeks are going to show good qualities. Hell my best dog right now is about as timid, shy dog as you can find but you find a bobcat track you better look out. But I agree what others have said, find a new replacement in the near future if it doesn't change soon.

What a breeder does as far as replacing a pup is a totally different topic. Since we headed down that road, I might as well give my take on the subject. If you do your research and decide you need a pup out of a certain line, and the pup does not turn out, don't go crying to the breeder! When you decide you want a pup, you get the gamble on what it turns out to be. If you expect anything different then you should expect to pay $4000 for a pup, when you consider that is what a solid seasoned dog is really worth. I can't believe what you guys expect out of a pup, don't you think as the trainer we have some responsibility to work that dog into its full potential? When you find a line of dog that you believe will work out in your best interest you need to give that pup every opportunity to become something special. Genetic health problems excluded.

Culling a dog at a year old is like telling a kid they will never amount to anything because they can't read at 5 years old. Have a little patience and work with the dogs. I get about 10 years out of a decent bobcat dog, don't you guys think it is worth spending 1 1/2 years working with a dog to get 8 1/2 years of prime time work? I honestly believe the best dogs really start to shine at 1 to 1 1/2 years old. Before that they are just barking to hear themselves bark.

What all you folks do with your dogs is your own business. And I am not one to judge or look down on it. Please don't take this the wrong way. I will say that if a dog is timid of people and aggresive towards other dogs, it most likely isn't a keeper.

at 8 weeks if a litter of pups comes running to you at your sight and you sit there and one or two cant be talked over with kinds words do you think thats going to change or should be sold to a hunter heck if ya the dog wisper you keep him and sell the rest
im talking about a shy pup or one that has no interest in game or starting any game .heck even running a deer that leaves lots of sent.im not talking about any thing else of course before you take them out with older dogs you try to get them to run a coon or drags by them selfs im talking about a dud nothing else
sorry im wrong again let me fix this ok dont expect anything nothing not a bit not even a sign of hunting abillity in a dog thats been breed for two hundred years and talked up to hunt if you do you have expected way to much give them two years and just be happy you dont have to go spending lots of money in gas looking for him
ok its out in your words outta a litter of 6 hounds how much of the litter should start on any game how many duds is exceptable breeding to you before the breeder is the problem okay and if i know that the percentage was 33 percent duds atleast oh well oh well thats what you get well if ya brag ya champions up you should also be able to swallow ya duds
im talking about buying something and it dont work for nothing
to me a dud has no hunting interest period
today we have the best of everything houses trucks guns etc do you realy think we have a good percentage of pups that even start and if it were legal if ya daddy called you at 5 and you did not come running you be sent off down the road sorry

Unreal_tk,

I understand why people want dogs to be showing signs at 6 months old. I understand why people want a dog to be performing at a year old. I get it and to each is his own. Like I mentioned I am not claiming to be some sort of a hound dog guru because that would be very far from the truth, but how many dogs out there are really doing that much good when it comes to catching game before they are 2 years old? I know there are people claiming how great their dogs are but in all honesty a dog less than 2 years old isn't really doing that much. I know there are exceptions and even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then but for the most parts dogs are spending the first couple years tagging along. Just because it happens to be barking doesn't mean it is really doing much to actually catch game. Now all you folks that don't agree, I don't want to hear about your six month old dog that slipped out and managed to slick its own cat. I want to hear about the ones that did it 20+ times in its first season. I would wager there aren't many dogs that treed lots of cats all on its own in the first two years of its life.

Lifreediver,
You typed your stuff while I was typing mine. I hope what I wrote makes sense. My biggest point as far as picking a pup is very simple. As the person buying a pup it is your responsibility to do your research. You are the one that decides who gets your money. I would base it on the ability of the parents etc. Possibly even the success of the guy selling the dogs. I do the best I can to hunt with the parents before I pay for a pup. But the end result is this: you buy a pup it is like a lottery ticket. You don't see many breeders going back to an exceptional dog and saying they need more money. If the pup came from proven parents, and stayed healthy, the breeder did their job. If they add some sort of guarantee then thats their stupidity. For the record, I have never sold a pup, I just give them to guys that I think will work with them in a good way.

I bought a pup a couple years ago from a guy in Utah. He didn't want me to pay him until I knew if the dog was going to work. I didn't push the issue much, but as soon as I knew the dog was healthy and not aggressive/ill I paid him. Actually I think I gave him a GPS collar and an antenna, but I squared up none the less. He did his part, it was then up to me.

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David_Heimann wrote:So I guess some body complained enough and got my post deleted, whatever, I don't care, here it is again.

I have a redbone who is 1 year old. She was running with the other dogs, but wouldn't make it to a tree as a 6 month old pup.

Now that she is old enough, I have been working with her, showing her animals in cage traps, and she is scared hopeless of them, won't even look at a house cat without running back to the truck with her tail between her legs. She has never been beat or abused, and I have tried everything when it comes to praising her.

I even try running her with my older dog so she will get the idea on coons/cats, but she is just scared of everything/noises/animals, etc.

I haven't been around many redbones, and the ones I was around were kinda timid. Any suggestions before I give her away as a pet? She seems to have a great nose, just not any balls.

sounds like she wouldn't even make much of a pet......