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Re: dogo,s

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:54 am
by African
The Dogo doesn't track but will put his nose low if the trail is HOT. They are silent and nothing like a hound - operate just like a sighthound but slightly better nose. A male Leopard will kill 2 Dogo's quick smart, they are no match for the strength and bite force. 3 or more and the cat will have a tough time but this is just my speculation - not from any personal experience.
For Africa conditions they fulfill they role of heavy pressure dogs in tight vegetation, rocks and caves. Also they save the hounds from hard contact and it is easier to replace a Dogo than have to train up a replacement hound. In my experience the Dogo comes out the womb ready to do the job - very little training needed. An example of an outstanding breeding project.

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:36 pm
by nmplott
they wind more like the english pointer than a hound

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:50 pm
by BoarHunter1
pegleg wrote:I have no doubts about a pack of dogs hounds or other being able to stretch a lion as they run out of oxygen so fast it gives the dogs a distinct advantage . But that top pic is a declawed captive lion that's been rolled a couple times and the dogs still clean so I'd guess he wasn't the first one to roll him. I don't want to hear any shit about being anti do go or any breed except maybe poodle or shitzu . Just pointing out a few obvious facts . The second pic does look to be a wild cough cat. One thing I personally would wonder about is what the average pack size typically is and since dogos are silent trailers what would happen if they cough a cat before he ran himself down? There's a notable difference in a fresh lions behavior and ability and once he's panting anyone have any insight into these questions?


Declawed huh? Some are, but the outcome is self evident.
Ive got more photos of real hunts



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If you collar and vest them, would help greatly...and 2 on 1 will kill a leopard imo.

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:39 pm
by groaners
Cool photos. That last dog looks like he's been around the block a few times...
Have only seen two in person on hogs and they definitely impressed me. I hear they are very expensive to buy though... Personally will stick to gritty cur dogs that will trail, run and fight all day and my reliable ole cur x pit catchdog. Beautiful dogs though!

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:33 am
by African
boarhunter how many Leopard have you hunted?

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:38 am
by slowandeasy
Quote: Have only seen two in person on hogs and they definitely impressed me.

What was it that definitely impressed you? Was there anything that made you to believe that they were well-rounded and beneficial.Or was it the fact that they are so ignorant, and kama-kazi like that it becomes suicidal for them.

Quote: Personally I will stick to gritty cur dogs that will trail, run and fight all day.

I myself think the second quote is the way I would go. And probably would also add that there are some pretty fair hounds that can work an animal over pretty well and stay safe too. Just my thoughts.

Take care, Willie

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:08 pm
by groaners
slowandeasy wrote:Quote: Have only seen two in person on hogs and they definitely impressed me.

What was it that definitely impressed you? Was there anything that made you to believe that they were well-rounded and beneficial.Or was it the fact that they are so ignorant, and kama-kazi like that it becomes suicidal for them.


They caught like pits and didn't let go no matter what punishment they got. They seemed to stay a little more away from the tusks than a typical bulldog would, but didn't show any inclination for hesitation before the catch, constant regripping, letting go, etc., that I had read about some people's complaints about the breed. They had to pried off with a breakstick, but after their job was done they minded good. Easy going dogs. Of course I can't form an opinion based on two individuals, but just my observation about the breed. Me, I'll stick with much cheaper bulldogs and crosses.

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:01 pm
by BoarHunter1
African wrote:boarhunter how many Leopard have you hunted?



0 but if thats an invitation, Im there :0


Leopards weight the same as a Mountain Lion, and fight the same (off backs)

2 game Dogos, if vested and collared, would put one helluva hurting or kill on a leopard.
3 would be better and no question about it. Course, this is a guess.
Ive seen what 1 dogo can do to a Cougar, 2-3 would destroy a leopard.

Im surprised you dont collar or vest your dogs. Seems crazy to me.

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:12 pm
by BoarHunter1
slowandeasy wrote:Or was it the fact that they are so ignorant, and kama-kazi like that it becomes suicidal for them.

Quote: Personally I will stick to gritty cur dogs that will trail, run and fight all day.
Take care, Willie



In Argentina, a Running Catch dog is needed. Hounds/bay dogs just wont stop hogs as effectively as they do in the states and why the Dogo was created.
Land is too vast, much too tough to navigate, and too dangerous to hunt them as we do in the states.

Also Argentinan men, where 'machismo' is ever present, consider gun hunts to be feminine, and only Knife their quarry, so again it requires a Catch dog.


Plenty Dogos live long lives and even natural cause deaths, even hunting true dangerous Russian Boar in Argentina.
Vesting/collaring provides insurance and protection. Every Catch dog is somewhat Kama Kazi like, thats their mission, but it need not be suicidal.

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:44 pm
by J.T.
however i find this to be pretty cool, but this should be locked to members only cause those kind of pictures help the antis form their own little stories

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:29 am
by txswamphunter
You will be hard pressed to find one that will trail like a hound an they are pack dogs , have only seen a few but was not impressed

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:07 am
by pegleg
Yes declawed and out of air/trained. Zooming the picture answered the first question handily. As for some scratch marks on his head thats no proof of anything. I have nothing against dogos and actual am impressed by the fact.they pack better on average then most bully breeds. As for one on one lion catccadhing ill have to say that while lions arent what id call aggressive they are dangerous and more then capable of gutting dogs or killing with one bite. I dont have any proof that a lion generates more bite force then most dogs of any breed but im sure a enterprising guy could find some numbers online somewhere to plug into the equation. Ive seen what happens when you have a dog in your pack thats convinced it can catch hold of a lion and ive seen the fury of roping one wrong to. So im satisfied i dont need one and myhounds surely appreciate not having one around to bear the burden of his enthusiasm. I do think under certain circumstances it probably works but thats just handicapping yourself on purpose for no gain. In any case its gotten to the point i dont think anyones debating the same issue

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:21 am
by mark miller
Just sit and criticize a breed as a hole or get off the couch and go hunt with a few or better yet buy one and try it , or just stop all the B.S and move on to something you may know about, makes it easier on the people that love a breed like the dogo.

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:22 am
by pegleg
Was that comment directed at me ? If it was id have to take exception to it . For one i spend more time on a horse following hounds then i do on a couch. Im not trying to say i know more about it then anyone else . I stated clearly my opinions on them based on my experience and if you can show me any one dog that makes a living finding catching and killing his own lion. Ill be the first to say loud and clear i was wrong. Ive hunted hogs with catch dogs and seen a few dogos working them i didn't see anything different then the bullies they ran with and ive chased a few lions with hounds. And for my area if a dog cant trail its a mute point because hes not going to see a lion but maybe twice in his lifetime if he was taken out twice a week during season like most hunt. I went through the same stage almost all hunters go through thinking i needed more grit in my hounds that didnt last long . I tried several breeds and it caused nothing but problems for me and my dogs. But as everyone has a opinion i'll say no more about it.

Re: dogo,s

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:58 pm
by Cowboyvon
Pegleg,

Might be off subject but if you were lion hunting why did you go through the stage of wanting more grit in your dogs...and if that wasn't the answer then what was?