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Im not sure how it is in everyone else's neck of the woods but we have been having some serious issues with locked gates both blm and dumb yuppies putting them up on public land! Its getting to the point of outrageous last sunday we had dogs out a public road that we needed to go get and guess what a mile and half before where they were off the road theres a F'ing gate up so damn yuppies put a gate up to stop people from getting up there so we had to park and walk that 1.5 miles just to be able to call out dogs to us. Now im a law abiding citizen and it took everything I had not to hook that gate up ro my truck and rip the whole thing out of the ground! Tax dollars that come out of my hard earned check each week pays for those roads to be built and I want to be abke to use them!

Forest service and timber companies are the problem here. Most the timber companies lands will let you use quads or sleds behind the gated areas... few you can't.

You guys arent paying enough taxes. The feds dont have enough money to maintain the road systems so whenever they are intermingled with private timberlands they turn the maintenance over to the private sector and bam up go the gates. On large blocks of fed ground they just dig em up or gate them so they dont have to maintain em. Wildlife habitat and all kinds of reasons they can come up with also contribute. So until you figure out a way to change the mindset of this once great nation you better lace your boots up and get to walking.

You know if you are that sure they are public roads then a group of hunters get together(to defer the cost) and take them to court. Make a big deal out of it and win the case. Once you have set a precedent then the courts can refer to that and force the next gate to be opened.

One thing you can do is purchase a landowner chip for your Garmin and see who actually owns the land...I have a few hippies in Southern Oregon that own a parcel of land and post no trespassing signs on property belonging to Timber Companies and other privately owned land tracts. Law suits will not work, sad to say, this is the trend....Enjoy your hounds while you can....Hound hunters have done it to themselves and recent legislative endeavors show clearly if a hound hunter had to fight and spend dollars to keep your rights or spend the money for beer, gas, Copenhagen....The choice would be the later. Not just in Oregon but people in general....The majority just don't care and politicians/ Government in every State bank on that complacency. Time to look at the bigger picture for your answers! When more American people can identify a character on the Simpson's than can identify our vice President, you are in serious trouble!

Mike

mike martell wrote:One thing you can do is purchase a landowner chip for your Garmin and see who actually owns the land...I have a few hippies in Southern Oregon that own a parcel of land and post no trespassing signs on property belonging to Timber Companies and other privately owned land tracts. Law suits will not work, sad to say, this is the trend....Enjoy your hounds while you can....Hound hunters have done it to themselves and recent legislative endeavors show clearly if a hound hunter had to fight and spend dollars to keep your rights or spend the money for beer, gas, Copenhagen....The choice would be the later. Not just in Oregon but people in general....The majority just don't care and politicians/ Government in every State bank on that complacency. Time to look at the bigger picture for your answers! When more American people can identify a character on the Simpson's than can identify our vice President, you are in serious trouble!

Mike

Gota love ya Mike!!!!! Shame it's true!!!



Take care, Willie

What you say is sad but true! The chip we have states it blm road such and such(I cant remember the numbers it said) and it has three hippie trailers up it it just sucks we pay so much money to have these roads built then the decide the dont want to maintain them so they throw a gate up on them or decommission them which cost a whole helluva lot of money too they should just throw up a "not county maintained road sign and enter at own risk

Amen Sister!! But then again, that would take common sense!! Something I see very little of in your neck of the woods except for hound people!!

mike martell wrote: Hound hunters have done it to themselves and recent legislative endeavors show clearly if a hound hunter had to fight and spend dollars to keep your rights or spend the money for beer, gas, Copenhagen....The choice would be the later. When more American people can identify a character on the Simpson's than can identify our vice President, you are in serious trouble! Mike

Welcome to the world of living under Agenda 21...

CRA wrote:

mike martell wrote: Hound hunters have done it to themselves and recent legislative endeavors show clearly if a hound hunter had to fight and spend dollars to keep your rights or spend the money for beer, gas, Copenhagen....The choice would be the later. When more American people can identify a character on the Simpson's than can identify our vice President, you are in serious trouble! Mike

Welcome to the world of living under Agenda 21...

You and Blue better be nice. Or I'll send those banjo pickers after you!!!!



Take care, Willie

CRA wrote:

mike martell wrote: Hound hunters have done it to themselves and recent legislative endeavors show clearly if a hound hunter had to fight and spend dollars to keep your rights or spend the money for beer, gas, Copenhagen....The choice would be the later. When more American people can identify a character on the Simpson's than can identify our vice President, you are in serious trouble! Mike

Welcome to the world of living under Agenda 21...

Private land owners have right to lock gates as they please, no argument. However in about the early eighties a group from this area spent money & time trying to stop Forest Service & BLM from closing public roads. My hunting partner at that time, spear headed the effort. Wayne was no dummy, he spent more money and time than most hound hunters could have afforded. Attended meetings in Salem & on the local level, was joined by others from this area. One hounds lady, who had joined Wayne in heading the effort, called me once & told me she had spent so much money on the battle she had lost her dwelling. I felt that a little extreme. What we found out was the majority of deer & elk hunters supported these road closure, after being convinced it would enhance their hunting opportunities, provide protection for deer & elk, reduce the money spent on road maintenance, prevent spreading white cedar root rote, lessen the amount of sediment in salmon streams & a bunch of other things I have forgotten. There were several who donated all the time & money they could afford. Attended meetings only to realize these meetings that were advertised as seeking public input, but the results had already been decided by the public agencies tax payers help support. Do recall being told no tax payers dollars were spent at that time for construction or maintenance of those roads. I suspect some of the deer & elk hunters now realized they were hoodwinked by those public employees & political leaders as more roads have been closed than were promised at those meetings. Many put more effort into this than I. Not that any of this matters now, just wanted to give credit to those who tried. Al

Get used to it, it's only going to get worse. Like was said before, hound hunters have a lot of blame for it. A forester told a logger friend of mine, "If bear hunters aren't rutting up the roads bear hunting, their rutting up the roads looking for a place to bear hunt." I think when the big 4-wheeler craze hit about 20 yrs ago is when things began to shut down. Between bear hunters, bird hunters and deer hunters on 4 wheelers, you couldn't even walk down most trails they were so rutted up. Plain stupidity to not open them up in the winter time for snowmobile use, after all, ruts in the snow disappear in the spring.....

Deal with this issue on forest service all the time. Perfectly good roads are gated or dirt pushed up at the mouth of the road with deep ditches on the other side. If a forest service rd is deemed public for vehicle travel it has to be kept under a maintnence contract which cost $. The forest service already operates in the red. Yes they operate in the red. They own enough timber in the states to operate in the black but there is so much liberalism running this thing that its never going too. By the way it's a $ 250 fine for going over one of those humps or around the gate. I know all to well.

[quote][/quote] What we found out was the majority of deer & elk hunters supported these road closure, after being convinced it would enhance their hunting opportunities.

Al, evidently they still believe this. Passage last year of ODFW sponsored H.B.2390 (Government Agent Bill) Carried by OHA lobby Al Elkins, and his anti hound group, better know as the Oregon Hunters Association, passed with 100% approval in the senate while H.B 3395, Our hound legislation failed to make its way to the floor for a vote. I know many hound hunters will call me out on my analogy, but if you see how OHA walked out on OOC the day before the last meeting in Salem, you would know better! Most of our problems in Oregon stem from failure to recognize who the real enemy is to our hound hunting! We patronize them by purchasing license and tags to support our addiction and they know it!

Mike

, there are hundreds of clay mounds across roads we used to use here in the Ocala Nat. Forest also however there are still hundreds of miles of two rutted sand roads that are numbered forest roads I'm sure there is no service contract on. There are service contracts on all the clay roads that are graded somewhat regularly as the weather permits. They have closed off all the roads that go to or anywhere close to a swamp,river or lake, effectively making it impossible to hunt thousands of acres that I have hunted all my life. jkohnke is right the fine is $250 I know also! By the way the gator had already ate my hound when I got there!