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Best thing to do is go back to your big city and worry about all homeless people being treated inhumanely by the rats. It sickens me thinking of all the homeless people getting chased down by hunger, cold or disease. I vote we abolish all big cities so all the good citizens can live in peace in the wilderness.

Set them free!!!

What happened in California is a classic example where a legislature tries to manage wildlife through emotions rather than best available science. The majority of Californians will not suffer but rather rural California farmers and ranchers. An uncontrolled predator population results in loss of life and property. California Wildlife officials can now not depend on revenue producing hunters to control populations but have to rely on Contract Hound hunters and trappers to do the job. Animals killed by these contractors end up in landfills where nobody gets to benefit from the meat or furs. Bluetickhounddog, I assume you are from California, rather than hunters doing the job, you can now rest assured that you tax payers are now paying for the wanton waste of wildlife, that ends up in landfills.

My point was, it amazes me people wouldn't lift a finger to help suffering human beings within their own neighborhood, many of whom they see every day but think they know everything about an animal they never saw before and have never been in the animals neighborhood. The world is changing and I'm glad I'm getting toward the end of being part of it.

COLORADO were on the same track. This just burns my a--. People are so unaware of what we (sportsmen) are all about. Quit wearing your emotions on your sleeve and just manage wildlife. If these outfitters don't QUIT KILLING EVERYTHING they put in a tree this will happen in our state. If money is what your worried about get a real job and start respecting the sport of hound hunting. Most of you are so greedy you kill anything you can for a check. Wake of and become a sportsman and and quit looking at game in a tree as a $!

dhostetler wrote:What happened in California is a classic example where a legislature tries to manage wildlife through emotions rather than best available science. The majority of Californians will not suffer but rather rural California farmers and ranchers. An uncontrolled predator population results in loss of life and property. California Wildlife officials can now not depend on revenue producing hunters to control populations but have to rely on Contract Hound hunters and trappers to do the job. Animals killed by these contractors end up in landfills where nobody gets to benefit from the meat or furs. Bluetickhounddog, I assume you are from California, rather than hunters doing the job, you can now rest assured that you tax payers are now paying for the wanton waste of wildlife, that ends up in landfills.

Very well stated dhostetler!

Here is what replace ethical sport hound hunting in Oregon. These are direct emails from the current policy makers at ODFW and the current people who replaced us in State, USDA Aphis Wildlife Services.

From the desk of David E. Williams @ USDA Aphis Wildlife Services, Portland Oregon.
If your question is, are we required to take a female cougar and her kittens should we encounter them in our equipment or have them treed then my response is: whoever is doing the administrative removal of cougars, Wildlife Services or other ODFW Agents, they are to pursue cougars RANDOMLY and should they capture a female with kittens, then all of them are to be euthanized by the agent.

Regarding your question who is funding these programs-The funds being used to fund administrative removal of cougars are sportsmen's dollars, not general fund dollars.

From the desk of ODFW Administrator Ronald Anglin. Mike, I have told you before but you continue to mistate the intent of the plan. The cougar plan does set a minimum population of level of 3000 cougars. The cougar plan does state if the population drops below 3000, ALL sport hunting (boot hunting only) would be stopped while damage would still be allowed. This is NOT a kill order for 2000 cougars. Mike you asked where these cougars end up. Cougars taken in the target areas are primarily taken to the landfills.

Ron Anglin Wildlife Division Administrator- Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.

Thanks Ronald Anglin for the CLARITY!

The ankle catch snare replaced sport hounds for black bear as a replacement management tool, as you read this keep in mind, all sport hunting with hounds prohibited the take of lactating females with cubs or kittens.


My email request to ODFW program manager Thomas Thornton

Mr. Thornton
Once I broke down the black bear annual report numbers, I noticed an alarming number of missing first year baby cubs while the second year subs adult black bear appear to be the normal take. How do you explain there were 179 subs killed with the sow black bear on corporate timber lands and only 5 first year cubs during the same time frame? These numbers as you should know best are not accurate?

Mike, you know this program well and understand beyond most. Given the very size of those first year cubs (10-12 pounds) they are euthanized by the agent and buried in the field instead of being collected.

Bluetickhounddog wrote:This is only my attempt to make simple point from my own stand point. This is for entertainment purposes only and is not meant to upset the delicate balance of anyone’s belief system.

I have two links here that might answer any questions you might have about why hunting with hounds is under attack. I believe that these two links are evidence that this is a dying sport. A statement from that governor of California may be a key piece of evidence for understanding the mindset of those that are fighting against you and your rights. “California now joins the great majority of states that have abolished this inhumane and unnecessary practice”

Could you say they shot themselves in the foot?

Not sure I follow your analogy, but think you are a complete idiot if you agree with what and who replaced all of us...Management is going to happen, even in liberal land California. I, like all others on this board prefer our more humane and ethical approach over what replaced all of us in the field. When was the last time you looked at a picture of a sport hunter with a sow black bear with cubs on here? How about a lactating female cougar with kittens? Somehow I'm confused, even if your post is for entertainment purposes only for your sick enjoyment, we all support wildlife conservation, ethics and don't need you telling me or any of us on this board we shot ourselves in the foot with our unethical, inhumane and unnecessary practice! City boy, Start over with the facts, forget your bleeding heart and we will go as far as you want comparing all of us to your city boy mentality and current policy!

Mike Martell

Plowdog wrote:COLORADO were on the same track. This just burns my a--. People are so unaware of what we (sportsmen) are all about. Quit wearing your emotions on your sleeve and just manage wildlife. If these outfitters don't QUIT KILLING EVERYTHING they put in a tree this will happen in our state. If money is what your worried about get a real job and start respecting the sport of hound hunting. Most of you are so greedy you kill anything you can for a check. Wake of and become a sportsman and and quit looking at game in a tree as a $!

You make a good case but once the outfitter and sport hunter is gone, look out with who and what and will replace you all...I would love to have what you call your "problem" in Colorado.

Mike

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In my opinion all the antis have to do is set back and watch. We as hounds men are killing our own sport. We fight the DWR because they keep trying to up the number of tags they want to sell but we're the ones that pull the trigger. Groups like SFW or the mule deer foundation want all the lions dead but their not the ones who are letting clients kill kittens and females because they took on a paying customer knowing fully that they couldn't find them a mature tom or rain cats out of a tree just to put a feather in their cap. Not every one is like this but the vast majority of guys running hounds are not united in the future of our sport and they will kill anything they can and then complain that they can't find anything to chase next time. The antis can take away or give us all they want and it won't matter in the end if we don't change how we do things. They are to many guys in our sport who don't care, they take and take until one day there will be no more to take. Some day outlawing hound hunting will be obsolete because we won't have anything left to chase anyway.
I don't mean to offend anyone but as you can tell you hit a nerve, in my opinion here in Utah hound hunting is a dying sport and we are the ones killing it.

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I think when you see adds on t-v about neglected and starved animals from the humane society of united states needing donations .Then you donate and they are using only a small amount for that . Then they take the rest to pass bills to take your hunting rights away .Animals need help and so do the people who like hunting. There is more then likely hunters donating by being misled .Myself I donate to my county animal shelter

I think when you see adds on t-v about neglected and starved animals from the humane society of united states needing donations .Then you donate and they are using only a small amount for that . Then they take the rest to pass bills to take your hunting rights away .Animals need help and so do the people who like hunting. There is more then likely hunters donating by being misled .Myself I donate to my county animal shelter

Bluetickhounddog, You should clarify to all of us what your agenda is. This is a Biggamehoundsman forum, so most us on here do not think we need to justify our method of hunting so you will never get us to engage in some kind of debate of right or wrong about hound hunting. Most of the information on Humane Society's website is false, so why would you believe the article about 110 veterinarians opposing hound hunting. Where does the 83% of Californians against hound hunting number come from? Was it some kind of scam poll by the Humane Society? I don't think anybody on this forum has a delicate balance of a belief system. Most hound hunters are not delicate about anything.