need some input on a somthing

[hillbilly boy]

hey you all what to see what you all would think about something that came to me when I was reading about decoy dogs they were talking about teaching the dogs to go to a coyote holw I don't think a decoy dog would work for us because the land we hunt is not that open and we mostly hunt for furs and a decoy dog is not good for fur hunting but it got me to thinking has anyone ever used a bay dog working like that to go to the holw now I don't know that much about coyote hunting but it seams like it would work what would you all say

[pegleg]

Your question isn't real clear. However the decoy dog doesn't actually attack the coyote enough to drive it off. It works as a distraction from the shooter. It then chases and retreats until finally the coyote is in range.
If your area is very thick it probably has no advantage unless you thoroughly de scent before hunting . then perhaps you could use a decoy dog to bring it into a shooting lane or opening.
Coyotes know which dogs are a threat and any gamey hound or bay dog is enough to end up with a coyote race.

[hillbilly boy]

sorry man what I was try to say I had read were decoy dogs would go out to a coyote hlow and get them to run after the decoy dog to bring them to the hunter and i was say from what i read a decoy dog would not work because we hunt in the winter and they only work in the spring but it got me to thinking could you teach a dog to go to a coyote hlow and bay it up until the hunter got there something like a black mouth cur or a blue lacy dog that runs quit and don't open up until they are almost on one

[pegleg]

Well in that case yes. Its just running coyotes with hounds. It takes a pretty good dog to catch or stay with a coyote though. Either very fast or endurance

[hillbilly boy]

I know that what I have read but I got to thinking a few dogs if they are one like black mouth curs or blue lacy dogs that don't open up until they are just about on top of one should bay up faster then hounds that open up soon as they got something at last that what I was thinking what would you all say

[al baldwin]

I was never a true coyote hunter, however have hunted with some coyote dogs owned by others. Dogs that catch say 50% of the coyotes they run here in south western Oregon need both speed & endurance, not sure how much advantage silent trailers would have. Now if you want to shoot a coyote that is running ahead of the dogs a sure steady trailing dog works well at times, as the coyote is less likely to leave the country. However, if one plans to hunt coyote with hounds here advise to have all day and be prepared to cover some big rough country. Good luck Al

[Dan Edwards]

I tried the cur dog thing. I guess it worked but I had to work my ass off to get it to work. If you stay at the game long enough you will be right back to the running dogs eventually. Also if you stay in the game long enough you will find the hounds that work for you. Most of our dogs we have today open very little and they never open until its jumped.

[Twopipe]

About 25 years ago I knew some old timers that could hunt every night. They'd use a siren to get the coyotes to howl and his hounds (Running dog stock) would go to the coyote and jump them. they caught a lot of coyotes that way.

[david]

If I understand your question, as Twopipe said, yes I have seen dogs go to the sound of coyotes without having been trained to do it. I have seen it this winter with two different young dogs. One of them knew what it was. The other had never heard a coyote to my knowledge. I think it would be pretty easy to train them to do something that seems rather natural already.

I am not a coyote hunter so take this with a grain of salt; I think what people are kind of saying is, part of what makes a coyote stop is that they get worn down. I think you would have trouble getting a fresh coyote to stand still. It is conceivable though with the right dogs. I know Dan has some dogs that make a coyote be very still, and it doesn't matter how fresh they are.

I guess I am saying: I am sure you could train the right dogs Go to the sound of coyotes. But I think they would have to have the speed to catch the coyote when the coyote bolts at the sight of dogs charging, and kill the coyote when they catch. Or you are right back to the long race.

[Dan Edwards]

Then add this to what David said. There are coyotes and then there are coyotes. Lil piece of advice I give my daughters who are fastpitch softball pitchers. Never get too high and never get too low. I'm sure you will know what I mean by that. Just like life coyote hunting is full of a lot of ups and downs.

[hillbilly boy]

I was thinking that a pair of quite running dogs would bay one faster than dogs that bark every step but maybe I was wrong but I am thinking maybe since we don't have running dogs maybe our treeing dog. Would do just to push them out of COVER were we can get a shot what would you all say

[Dan Edwards]

I'm not sure the baying one up fast with dogs with less mouth really holds much water. Once the coyote is jumped knows whats up whether they are opening or not. Most of our dogs open enough when they are young but kinda open less later. Most likely cuz they are just less cackle headed and are running full out trying to catch. Once you get a few dogs catching hard they all start to really want to catch hard. They are like gang bangers.

[hillbilly boy]

OK MIT be that was just something this old people believe I got a pair of young coon dog that could maybe be OK just to jump out of the. Bush for a shot

[Henefer-hound-hunter]

Here in Utah I have never met anyone that lets their dogs run coyotes(not saying no one does), if I let my dogs run coyotes, I wouldn't run many lion, bob, bears, or even coons at that matter ever again, cause out here there everywhere. I guarantee almost every time I free casted they would hit a yote track before any of the game I really like to run. Hell every now and then my trashy dogs get bored and run those stinky critters even though their not supposed to:)
What I'm trying to say, is if you have as many coyotes as we do you might think twice about letting your dogs run them, if you want to mostly catch coons or other game with those dogs. JMO wish I could tell my dogs what were hunting every morning, that would be slick, but with my dogs there is just good game and trash, and it's left to me to sorte out which critter were running.
Cam

[Dan Edwards]

We live in a totally different world than you do H-h-h. I would not be running them either if I lived where you do partner.