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Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:50 am
by Lance_mo
I'm new to Cameron dogs I have four dogs two from one breeder two from different guy the to that are full Cameron I've had a little issues with them they are tighter made dogs the female is a dog pin pacer always was from a pup and hard to keep weight on even if not hunting the male was thicker built till I started hunting him with the female then he got to where he paces the pin and hard to keep weight on just like her I've never seen nuthin like it I've hunted hounds for a long time and have never seen this before both dogs got to the point where they won't go hunt as if they are wore down from pacing the pins I would just like to know if anyone else has had this problem before with full Cameron's thanks
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:31 pm
by tkettle
I bought a full Cameron from a guy named Joey in southern Co about a year ago. Paid $1500 for the pos. Supposed to be a top notch lion and bear dog. The dog would not start his own track on bear or lion . I put him on probly 40 bears and he would not go for more than about 10 min. Also , like you said he was hard to keep weight on. These dogs are all a bunch of bs. I gave the dog away in July.
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:14 pm
by JTG
The "pos" is the guy you bought the hound from. I would have question the top notch $1500 lion and bear dog and at least hunted him a few times.
As far as the hound pacing the kennel, they are telling you, I want out for whatever reason.
In respect to ALL of them being bs, I would respectfully disagree.
Let see the papers and a picture of the hound you gave away.
tkettle wrote:I bought a full Cameron from a guy named Joey in southern Co about a year ago. Paid $1500 for the pos. Supposed to be a top notch lion and bear dog. The dog would not start his own track on bear or lion . I put him on probly 40 bears and he would not go for more than about 10 min. Also , like you said he was hard to keep weight on. These dogs are all a bunch of bs. I gave the dog away in July.
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:49 pm
by Jeff Eberle
When you get one from Del himself then you have a Full Cameron til then you have one from the many that are just making a living off of Del's name and years of hard work.
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:09 pm
by Lance_mo
I think it is genetics in the guys dogs that he's breeding I'm speaking about my two dogs they are guaranteed to hunt at least that's what the big web page said but my concern is what is wrong with these dogs is it contagious to my other dogs or just bad genetics you would think as bad as they pac the pins you would think they would run off when you turned them out but they don't I'm want to say where I got them but don't want to start a pissin match but if anyone has got pups from Steve Phipps in the past I want to know if there dogs was the same way
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:42 pm
by Jeff Eberle
Lance_mo wrote:I think it is genetics in the guys dogs that he's breeding I'm speaking about my two dogs they are guaranteed to hunt at least that's what the big web page said but my concern is what is wrong with these dogs is it contagious to my other dogs or just bad genetics you would think as bad as they pac the pins you would think they would run off when you turned them out but they don't I'm want to say where I got them but don't want to start a pissin match but if anyone has got pups from Steve Phipps in the past I want to know if there dogs was the same way
You just proved my point. Lance I feel bad for you and all the others that have been sucked by wantabe Del Cameron breeders. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE CAMERON BREED DOG"S
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:20 pm
by david
Jeff Eberle wrote:Lance_mo wrote:I think it is genetics in the guys dogs that he's breeding I'm speaking about my two dogs they are guaranteed to hunt at least that's what the big web page said but my concern is what is wrong with these dogs is it contagious to my other dogs or just bad genetics you would think as bad as they pac the pins you would think they would run off when you turned them out but they don't I'm want to say where I got them but don't want to start a pissin match but if anyone has got pups from Steve Phipps in the past I want to know if there dogs was the same way
You just proved my point. Lance I feel bad for you and all the others that have been sucked by wantabe Del Cameron breeders. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE CAMERON BREED DOG"S
I am sorry for you also. And know nothing about the place you got your dogs. I don't think it is contagious. In some ways it might be an advantage to have your dogs always exercising on their home made treadmill. I would think they would be in much better shape than a dog that just lays in bed all that time. But I have never had a dog that did that and if I did I would probably be worried about his brain having issues. But if they seem smart and hunt hard and do good I would not worry about it. But if they showed other brain related problems, I guess I probably would not keep them if it was me.
I am not trying to protect this breeder, never heard of him. But Jeff, I am not sure I agree with your logic. In my mind if some one took two dogs from a breeder of a certain line of dogs and bred them together, it would be fair to call them by that lines name. In fact it would be unfair not to. And if two puppies from that cross and another cross bred that way were bred together, in my mind it would still be logical and ethical to call them by the name of that line. It bugs me more when people take someone else's line and put their own name on it. Like if you got two dogs from Del and bred them and called the pups Eberle dogs, and started selling this great line of dogs you developed.
I totally see your point though if people are sloppy and blaming their slop on someone else.
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:35 pm
by tkettle
JTG wrote:The "pos" is the guy you bought the hound from. I would have question the top notch $1500 lion and bear dog and at least hunted him a few times.
As far as the hound pacing the kennel, they are telling you, I want out for whatever reason.
In respect to ALL of them being bs, I would respectfully disagree.
Let see the papers and a picture of the hound you gave away.
Hunted him a few times????? I did only turn him out twice on a lion , but the dog was hunted the month of march in the south on bear for 30 days, 30 days in April / May in Utah, and 30 days in July from me in wisconsin, and the Person I gave him to hunted him another 60 days in wisconsin . The dog has absolutly no drive whatsoever, ten minutes max on a bear. Also if you are the guy that sold him to me, then you know what the dog looks like and what his papers say. That 40 bears is actually a conservative number , its actually about double that. Ill put my homegrown plott mutts up against any of those spineless blueticks anyday, any state, any bear.
tkettle wrote:I bought a full Cameron from a guy named Joey in southern Co about a year ago. Paid $1500 for the pos. Supposed to be a top notch lion and bear dog. The dog would not start his own track on bear or lion . I put him on probly 40 bears and he would not go for more than about 10 min. Also , like you said he was hard to keep weight on. These dogs are all a bunch of bs. I gave the dog away in July.
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:47 pm
by tkettle
JTG wrote:The "pos" is the guy you bought the hound from. I would have question the top notch $1500 lion and bear dog and at least hunted him a few times.
As far as the hound pacing the kennel, they are telling you, I want out for whatever reason.
In respect to ALL of them being bs, I would respectfully disagree.
Let see the papers and a picture of the hound you gave away.
I apologize JTG, I thought you were actually that Joey I bought the dog from. Sorry to jump the gun. I found the papers and the sire is Front Range Camerons Duke, and the Dam is Front Range Camerons Candy
tkettle wrote:I bought a full Cameron from a guy named Joey in southern Co about a year ago. Paid $1500 for the pos. Supposed to be a top notch lion and bear dog. The dog would not start his own track on bear or lion . I put him on probly 40 bears and he would not go for more than about 10 min. Also , like you said he was hard to keep weight on. These dogs are all a bunch of bs. I gave the dog away in July.
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:49 pm
by Lance_mo
Can a man still get pups from del Cameron? I'm sure not but figured I would ask...
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:53 pm
by Jeff Eberle
I do agree with you Dave in a way, But here is my thoughts on it . Who's to say that Del would of breed these two dogs to produce the pups in question , Who's to say he would of breed them at all ? I guess I just have a little more insight on this then I'm willing to put out. And have sat at Del's table and broke bread with him , And have a problem with people looking to make money from his name and when your putting as many pups on the ground that some of these Cameron breeders are it all about the money not the line or the man.
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:55 pm
by Jeff Eberle
Lance_mo wrote:Can a man still get pups from del Cameron? I'm sure not but figured I would ask...
If I was you I'd pm JTG
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:15 pm
by david
david wrote:Jeff Eberle wrote:I do agree with you Dave in a way, But here is my thoughts on it . Who's to say that Del would of breed these two dogs to produce the pups in question , Who's to say he would of breed them at all ? I guess I just have a little more insight on this then I'm willing to put out. And have sat at Del's table and broke bread with him , And have a problem with people looking to make money from his name and when your putting as many pups on the ground that some of these Cameron breeders are it all about the money not the line or the man.
I totally see your point though if people are sloppy and blaming their slop on someone else.
Understood. Thank you.
Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:13 pm
by JTG
I tried to say, if you are going to buy a trained hound from anyone, I would recommend, that you hunted that hound several times before you bought him. I do not sell hounds, but if I did, it would cost you way more than $1500, for what I consider a finished hound. The hound you mentioned would have never made it here or left here to go somewhere else. I wanted to see the papers since you said “all “ Cameron hounds and no good, I would have liked to see the breeding behind them, so I would know where it came from.
Mr. Cameron is a good man and has stuck with Bluetick hounds all of his life.
Hunted him a few times????? I did only turn him out twice on a lion , but the dog was hunted the month of march in the south on bear for 30 days, 30 days in April / May in Utah, and 30 days in July from me in wisconsin, and the Person I gave him to hunted him another 60 days in wisconsin . The dog has absolutly no drive whatsoever, ten minutes max on a bear. Also if you are the guy that sold him to me, then you know what the dog looks like and what his papers say. That 40 bears is actually a conservative number , its actually about double that. Ill put my homegrown plott mutts up against any of those spineless blueticks anyday, any state, any bear.
tkettle wrote:I bought a full Cameron from a guy named Joey in southern Co about a year ago. Paid $1500 for the pos. Supposed to be a top notch lion and bear dog. The dog would not start his own track on bear or lion . I put him on probly 40 bears and he would not go for more than about 10 min. Also , like you said he was hard to keep weight on. These dogs are all a bunch of bs. I gave the dog away in July.
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Re: Questions about full Cameron's
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:32 pm
by Lance_mo
Lol Well I guess if I new how to pm him I would Do that I've tried and failed I'm new to this site and at this technology haha