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been getting several request for some information on the white cloud strain of hounds. this will include some information about the origin of weldons dogs as well because what i hunt are form the same family of hounds. most have been line bred for years to retain all the good traits desired in a top hound. the origin of most of these hounds originated from another friend of mine named roger holland he started out with hounds form the family of martin clem. gervis mullins had alot to do with modern day white cloud dogs as well. what are they? just a strain of old time dogs that most walker fanciers have all heard of from way back. motley, forrester,red liquor a running dog .some blue tick blood before the days of u.k.c. registry.indiana boone boy so intensified he will pop up hundreds of time in a 7 generation pedigree. most all are not nite ch. hounds, just purple ribbon bred for decades for quality hounds. does that guarantee you they are the best? hardly when a breeder is in tune with promoting for financial gain things can unravel fast. in my case with these dogs this is what has happened. with out proper hunting and culling you have nothing. i have been working hard for ten years to revive this strain. at the present it kind of looks like a sinking ship. i have culled 100%of all the east coast w.c. dogs as these guys didn't breed for trail or tree? they over the years have bred those good traits out. weldon has carried the line very well since his first pup from roger, i can say he has stood the test of time. something the east coast guys failed to do.are they all born trash free? as some claim? lets just say that the sire to mine never had a e-collar around his neck. mine 100% from that sire all had to be trash broke !as for me that was there mission in life born to chase and catch deer.remember mine are form the direct family my good friend come's from.they do however posess the ability to drift a track beyond most folks imagination. the original dog's were w.c. king and star. weldon bought some pups from roger close to 25 years ago. he ended up with a dog called boone boy that started his train rolling. you seen the full cry picture with the lion in it. that is a very old picture indeed. from there he intregrated some michigan bolly dogs, as well as some old time nance. when you look at a w.c. pedigree they all read about the same. i won't speek for my friends, let me just say if your up to it call the guy's and go hunting. one is in utah, spends every winter hunting lion down there and does well. these guys are closing in on 80 years old. what would you expect from guys that old. hell i'll be long dead way before that, little alone hunting lion each and every day all winter long. if you are looking for the goose that laid the golden egg. you are close. remember when you buy a year old dog from any hunter it is a dog that doesn't fit his agenda. if you want to buy something and have luck with it. try getting on a puppy list and picking out your own that way you are evening the odds yours will be just as good as the breeders. or spend $5000.00 and hunt with the dog first. all i ever was happened to be a hunter first .but the inability to buy a dog has made me sort of a breeder. these are my words not theres. i'll let them kick my butt if they disagree with my opinions.god knows these guys have earned the right....

Mike thanks for helping out my friend Johnny Combs. He still hasnt had any luck getting in touch with that dog trading thief from over in Carolina, but at least you backed up what we suspected.

dwd58, hey out of all bad come's some good. in my travels i have been all over the country. some things turn out good some less. i can't understand why a person doesn't level with another honestly. especially when it comes to hounds. once you turn a dog loose he speaks for himself good or bad ,in my case and johnny combs. i think we both got a con job. the up side is i met johnny, he seem's like a good guy. one day i'm going to drive out and hunt bears with him. hey i haven't spoke with him for awile. i promised him i would send him a hunting video and a cat hunting c.d. let him know it is on its way sometime?....lol cat season is in full progress here, and this old goat is helping train the next generation of cat men of the northwest.the longer he waits the more i'm adding to it. when oregon banned us from our hound hunting was the best thing that has ever happened in my life. i took the money i blew on this worthless state and got out in the world. i have had many privileges of meeting some great hound hunters all over the country.not to mention our canadian friends to the north. remember the good generally out weigh the bad. i measure my wealth each and every day this way. take care ......mike

Mike,

About twenty years ago, maybe a little more, I hunted with a couple of White Cloud dogs that had come from a guy that was raising and advertising them from So. Cal., San Bernadino I believe. Pretty fair dogs. How do the ones that you've been around, especially recently, do on bear? Thanks for your info., its getting hard to come by.

that would of been emmitt causey. he is gone. ironically weldon hopman paid him a visit and hunted with his dogs. weldon said he was really wanting some of his line but when he left he went home empty handed. he said his hounds did nothing to impress him? from there weldon met and hunted the line of roger holland. same blood exactly as the king dog i mentioned as his sire was owned by none other than emmitt causey himself a dog called causey's stride 1v those ones were the world beaters lol........ try and figure all this out will make you crazy.i have a better answer than roger does on his old line. the dam was called star. she was not a white cloud dog. hence a total outcross to another line of walker dogs.roger just thinks she was a white cloud dog.this just drives the point home for me. what are your expectations of a hound. to me weldon, roger. are master lion hunters.are they bear or bobcat hunters? depending on what you want to pursue for game i would be looking at each persons specialty and the degree of success with a given line of hounds. you sure don't want to stop by my house and try and get a solid coon hound. this is the fun of hounds and breeding.

Thanks Mike, Emmit Causey was where those dogs came from, I just couldn't remember his name. I stopped by Causey's place once and talked to him about his dogs and looked them over, just don't remember much about it as my memory is about as short my, well, you know.

I just wanted to ad a little note to the person asking about the white cloud breed. I perchased Three dogs from bobby lyles twenty years ago. That go way back in the white cloud blood. Iam still breeding them for bear and cat dogs. It was the best thing i ever did. If you keep the blood straight you wont go wrong. Hope i could help.

I bought a white cloud male from west virginia. i dont have any complaints about him yet. im looking for some more of that lines. But i want full white cloud dogs if anyone has any if they would get a hold of me.