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Ridge Runner Post subject: Bounty on Lions in NevadaPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:55 am



Assemblymen Gerald Claiborn is now proposing a $500 bounty for anyone that brings in a lion to the Dept. of Wildlife and doing away with all harvest objectives.

Last year he proposed delisting the lion from the big game list and anyone could shoot one on site with NO regulations.

His reason for getting rid of the Mtn lion in NV is greed for higher deer and sheep numbers. He and his supporters cant seem to understand that predator populations follow that of their prey and that with several million acres of burned winter range, and competition with ferral horses, NV can only support a certain number of critters.

Next meeting date is Feb 7th in Reno to stop this agenda. If this goes through we will get sued by the enviromental groups and the next thing you know we will end up like CA and wont even be able to hunt the great cats in our State!



Just found this over in another section figured it may get seen more here.

Ridge, hope you dont mind that i moved it.

Buddy, I hope you dont mind that I pasted it in two additional sections

Thanks, I hope I did not piss anyone off.
Cal

I sent my letter in with my buddy from the Game board. The only thing we can do is flood them with letters and go to the meetings. If not, as far as they are concerned nobody apposes it. My buddies name is Brandon Fordin, and every commission meeting he is the only one arguing for us houndsmen. That needs to change boys, or we will sink.

I have been on the phone with 5 of the 9 state wildlife commisioners, 2 county commission chairs, and several biologists. The only way to get anything done is to speak out with how you feel to people who are willing to hear it.

Later,

Marcial

This is retarded. First off if this happens everyone who needs money and has dogs will go get a lion (and the economic situation guarantees that some people will do this) to cover some bills. Then after a lot of lions are wiped out they will be put on some sort of protection list like the endangered species list for a while and you can kiss lion hunting in that part of the country good bye!

What is wrong with the people in charge? Have they not heard what is going on in other states?

Here is the letter that went out from the Guides Association, hopefully everyone listens.

We are in the process of forming a Hound Hunter Association for NV and would like your opinion.



We think that with the liberals in charge in DC and the anti predator groups in our own State that continued attacks are inevitable. They will be out in full force to cease hound hunting or place regulations that will destroy our sport. Most of you are already aware of the mess that we were faced with in 2008 with Sportsman alert and Assemblyman Claiborn on delisting of Mountain lion as a big game species. There are several more issues that are going to surface at the Wildlife Commission meeting in Reno on the 6-7 of Feb. I think that we need to unite as a group to put a stop to both anti hunters as well as self serving individuals that would like to see all predators eradicated in our State.



As most of you know NV used to have a houndsmen association but without the continued support they let it go. I think that with internet and an increase in houndsmen and women, it will be easier to stay in contact. We would also like to hold field trials and or a houndsmen bar-b-que/camp out up in the mountains to meet and greet once a year to keep the association together. If anyone has any other ideas please share.




Most of you know me in the outfitting business but I want this organization to be made up of all houndsmen. No matter if you have one hound or a pack of twenty or just like to go with your buddies that run hounds we want your support. If out of State houndsmen want to join I am fine with that as well. We just want a large group of individuals that all have the same interest in mind that can roadblock those that want to see us or the animals we hunt gone!



If this interests you please let me know so we can determine if there is enough support to create and continue such an organization. Also if you are interested in running this organization or being on the board of directors we welcome your help.

houndnhorse, did you talk to any of the groups/people I had suggested from the old thread (a month or so ago) on this? Wasn't sure if you'd ever seen my reply. I will be more than happy to join the club but I'm just across the border to the west.

No, but Sandsavage (Paul) has and we are just getting our feet wet right now. You have to remember we are hound guys. Any help would be appreciated. A lot of us are headed to the game commission meeting in Reno on Feb 7th to make our presence known. That's all I can see to do at this point. Looks like they have a stacked deck. Wish us luck.

For those that haven't looked at the NDOW site, you can give comments either day but the harvest objectives for the 2009-2010 season will not be heard until Saturday. Houndnhorse I am willing to help you guys as much as possible but as far as the blood and guts of running a club the other folks/clubs I mentioned would be a lot better than me. One thing I can say is find someone to write an article for your club every month in Full Cry and maybe even Coonhound Bloodlines...you'll reach alot of people that way.

Nevada Board of Wildlife Commissioners' Meeting
Nevada Department of Wildlife
1100 Valley Road
Reno, NV
Saturday, February 7, 2009 – 8 a.m.
• Call to Order, Introduction and Roll Call of County Advisory Board
Members to Manage Wildlife (CABMW) – Chairman Lent
• Member Items
Commissioners may present emergent items. No action may be taken by the
Commission. Any item requiring Commission action will be scheduled on a future
Commission agenda.
• County Advisory Boards to Manage Wildlife (CABMW) Member Items –
CABMW members may present emergent items. No action may be taken by the
Commission. Any item requiring Commission action will be scheduled on a future
Commission agenda.
• Public Comment Period
Persons wishing to speak on items not on the agenda should complete a
speaker’s card and present it to the recording secretary. Public comment will be
limited to three minutes for individuals and six minutes for persons representing
groups or organizations. Persons are invited to submit comments in writing on
the agenda items and or attend and make comment on the item at the
Commission meeting. No action can be taken by the Commission at this time;
any item requiring Commission action could be scheduled on a future
Commission agenda.
12 2008 Preliminary Big Game Harvest Results – Big Game Biologist Mike Cox
– Informational (Mike Cox, (775) 688-1555, mcox@ndow.org)
Summary and overview of preliminary big game harvest data.
5
Regulations – Action
13* Commission Regulation 09 - 01 - Heritage Tags 2010 – Big Game Staff
Biologist Mike Cox - Action
The Commission will adopt the Heritage tag species, seasons, and quotas for
2010.
14* Commission Regulation 09-02 - Heritage Tags 2011 – Big Game Staff
Biologist Mike Cox - Action
The Commission will adopt the Heritage tag species, seasons, and quotas for
2011.
15* Commission Regulation 09 - 03 Raptors for Falconry - Chief of Wildlife
Diversity Laura Richards - Action
The Commission will establish 2009 and 2010 season dates, species, quotas,
hours, limits, closed areas, application procedures and deadlines, and take for
raptors for falconry.
16* Commission Regulation 09 – 04 Noncommercial Collection of Reptiles and
Amphibians for 2009 and 2010 - Chief of Wildlife Diversity Laura Richards -
Action
The regulation establishes the 2009 and 2010 season and limits for
noncommercial hobby collecting of live, unprotected reptiles and amphibians.
17* Commission Regulation – 09 - 06 - Big Game Biologist Kevin Lansford -
Action
The Commission will adopt mountain lion harvest objectives for the 2009 - 2010
and 2010 - 2011 seasons.
18 Commission Regulation 09 – 05 Proposed Big Game Season Dates – Big
Game Biologist Mike Cox – Action
The Commission will adopt the 2009 and 2010 hunting seasons for mule deer,
pronghorn antelope, elk, bighorn sheep, and mountain goat including limits,
hunting hours, special hunt eligibility, animal gender, age and physical
characteristics, and legal weapon requirements; Partnership in Wildlife (PIW) and
emergency hunt structure and statewide quotas; the 2009 nonresident restricted
deer tag quotas and seasons; dates and times for indoctrination courses. Note:
Support material sent under separate cover.
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19 Future Commission Meeting – Director Ken Mayer - Action
(Director Ken Mayer, kemayer@ndow.org, (775) 688-1599)
The next Commission meeting is scheduled for March 27 and 28, 2009, in Reno;
and the Commission will review potential agenda items for that meeting which
will encompass a County Advisory Board to Manage Wildlife workshop. The
chairman may designate and adjust committee assignments and create new
committees.
• Public Comment Period
Persons wishing to speak on items not on the agenda should complete a
speaker’s card and present it to the recording secretary. Public comment will be
limited to three minutes for individuals and six minutes for persons representing
groups or organizations. Persons are invited to submit comments in writing on
the agenda items and or attend and make comment on the item at the
Commission meeting. No action can be taken by the Commission at this time;
any item requiring Commission action could be scheduled on a future
Commission agenda.
*Support Material
In accordance with NRS 241.020 this agenda closes three days prior to the meeting date and has been posted on
the NDOW website at NDOW.org and at the following Department of Wildlife offices: 1100 Valley Road, Reno, NV,
89512; 380 W. “B” Street, Fallon, NV, 89406; 60 Youth Center, Elko, NV, 89801; 4747 W. Vegas Dr., Las Vegas, NV,
89108. Notice to the Public: Nevada Department of Wildlife receives Federal Aid in Fish and/or Wildlife
Restoration. The U.S. Department of the Interior prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, natural
origin, age, sex, or disability. Individuals with hearing impairment may contact the Department via
telecommunication device (TDD) (775) 688-1550. Disabled individuals in need of special services should contact the
Department prior to the meeting at (775) 688-1599.

thanks Liz for the help. When we get it going I'm going to volunteer Mike to write magazine articles cause he has a way better vocabulary than my hillbilly butt!!!! Plus I read one of his storys on the old shade tree site that was pretty darn good!!!

My Grandpa (Eldon Walker) always said "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. If I don't start finding some tracks soon, thats all they would be, untrue stories. Anyhow, we have to start somewhere. This has me so consumed I can hardly see straight. Paul, have you figured out who all is going with you? PM me if you get a chance.

I am in Las Vegas right now. I was just looking at the Nevada Hunt Book at my in-laws home. The regulations for Lion right now seem to be good, you can hunt year round and take up to two lions a year and set up to have up to 300+ lions taken. As a biology student in my senior year I see that these regulations are suffecient in population control both for the predator and the prey.

You're right, I don't think it is NDOW thats the enemy here (so far anyway). In fact the
(proposed) harvest objectives for the 2009-10 and 2010-11 have actually decreased by 43 animals. The problem is people like Mike Laughlin and Gerald Claborn (check out www.huntersalert.org if you want to see some fine anti-lion propaganda) who seem to be hell bent to push lion eradication. Everyone wants to blame the lions for the mule deer decline yet no one mentions is human population and open space loss. Between 2000 and 2008 Nevada increased by 602,000 people, Washoe county alone increased by 65,000 people between 2000 and 2007. No one mentions the elk population increase either, mule deer do not compete well with elk, especially in the ever shrinking winter ranges which lie in the valleys that us humans like to build wal-marts and mcmansions in. It would be good to be well armed with some good knowledge about the real problems facing the deer to take to the meeting...you can bet the Claborns and Laughlin's will be there to speak up. If it's not storming too bad that weekend I will try to attend as well...speaking of storming, the continuing drought is another issue for the deer.

Thats great Liz Thank You. Grab ol Skip Partlow on your way and make him come help us out too. (he never leaves plumas county)

I have talked to a gentleman in Fallon over the past couple of weeks. He is a houndsman, has been a guide, and has caught and killed his fair share.

He tells me that the NDOW people in Fallon want every lion dead. Why?

SHEEP.

Sheep make more money than lions ever will. He told me he has been told by NDOW that the HO's need to be met, or NDOW and the Commissioners will find another way. I am in the process of weeding out any B.S. in this and getting to the bottom of it, we shall see how it goes.

Later,

Marcial