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mike martell wrote:i never used the unproven studs. i just had them sent to me via hound hunters. they come as dogs used in a breeding program as seen in the ukc litter reports.i eliminated them as soon as i hunted them out on game.or returned them for my money back! i will go into more detail so you don't have to read it twice. i allowed another con man from florida named david to send me a dog that was advertised (should go to an outfitter. top knotch bear dog) the dog was never hunted on nor ever seen a bear!why the hell would he guarantee the dog? he did ,and sent me my money back, but it still cost me alot of money to do this.bobby was another guy that did the same thing. sell pups from dogs that were never hunted.even the guy from wallowa jim walker did the same thing. he bred dogs and didn't hunt them. how many people would contest this fact? probably every person who never went to his place and looked at his dogs. i trusted a guy from michigan who bred his w.c dog to a bawly dog. when my pups arrived i just eliminated them. i feel bad for doing what i do, the guy was so proud of the dogs he give them to me and paid shipping to boot? i made the post based on the previous one from butch who recommended dwd 58 try out something other than the w.c line as he stated was so outcrossed and diluted it was a waste of time.the point was the dogs or lines he recomends happen to be lines i have tried myself! when i read the papers on those dogs they make the w.c dogs look real good.i have bred all the crossed junk out of my line of dogs. i'm still hunting and proving the line 10 years later. that is why i will be at least 6 more years before i have a good quality female to breed from that is all w.c breeding. if i care enough to want to by then. i probably won't care by then.as problems pop up they are addressed. how many dogs do i sell? none! i have exhausted all efforts with another line butch mentioned with the rennick dogs. papered dogs that have no business being registered period. they all read open? is this your line of dogs? do all your pedigrees read open? if you have the real deal rennick dogs that are purple ribbon bred, no running dogs bred into them then i commend you for doing things right. another example while we are on the subject of hunters ,a guy from oroville california is hunting in the night hunts a grade dog i had given to him. the point! hunt the dogs don't hang ukc papers on the dog. don't breed the dog and don't sell pups from the dog. this is simply put. i'm sick and tired of this crap! to date i have seen or caught as many as 10 big game breeder's who have either switched or altered the ukc paper work on a hound. for those who are legit. i commend you. the final point, it is hard enough when papers are in order to get the type of hound that suits a person. all i intended to achieve was bettering the breed? what a joke. not the dogs the people behind them! again if you are the one's doing business this way, you will be busted. if you run a top line program you will stand the test of time. jmo.