!!! The Ultimate Bobcat Dog...Part 1.5 !!!

[Leapordcur1]

Screw this hocus pocus about ultimate cat dog. Known fact you are talker not hunter give up da gig,. Us houndsmen would pay to know how to con significant other to work so could stay home and screw around in fantasy world likee you. Write an article on that Don D

[Casey Knight]

Keep us posted on the Kuby x Vicky cross! Really want to see pics of those pups if Vicky did take.

[Dan McDonough]

Leopardcur1- Let's start by having your name so I know who I'm talking to. Then we can go into what makes you so qualified to make those statements.

[Dan McDonough]

Will do Casey. I don't think it took but you never know. There's still several weeks until they would be born. I think they would hit the ground around the last weekend in June. It sure would be something if that took.

[Goose]

Screw this hocus pocus about ultimate cat dog. Known fact you are talker not hunter give up da gig,. Us houndsmen would pay to know how to con significant other to work so could stay home and screw around in fantasy world likee you. Write an article on that Don D

Ignorance is bliss and you sir are truly blissed...

At one point in time every known breed of hunting dog known to mankind was the result of such experiments, rather your able to wrap your head around that I'm not sure. Why be skeptical and negative of somebody tinkering around with something like this, it's a very daunting task but not out of the realm of possibility and just exactly how many bags of dog food have you bought for Dan or how many months have you paid his light bill, if your answer is zero and zero then why even comment on it, we as houndsmen are fighting a losing battle as it is to maintain our heritage and way of life and rights to run our hounds and have enough people against us already, you sir are a fine example of the hound dogging culture decaying from with in...


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[Leapordcur1]

Why be skeptical and negative. Because ain't a delusional fu(k!ng water head that's why

[Henefer-hound-hunter]

Still not going to post your name huh? Well you might not be delusional but you most definitely are a coward and a bich! I don't know one thing about Dan, but I do know if you're gonna talk shit you should atleast have enough balls to write your damn name at the bottom of your post! Funny thing about trolls is their super tuff behind screens, but in real life the only thing they can beat is their own dick
Good luck and keep at it Dan all breeds were pipe dreams at one point in time ! When you get that breed perfected I'll buy a pup from ya!

Cameron

[Dan McDonough]

To much fun to quit now, thanks.

[Dan McDonough]

Here's a litter of Mtn. Cur x Stag pups that just hit the ground on Sat. I was unsuccessful in getting Duce (Stag) bred to Polly (BC) this spring so I figured I might as well be doing something productive. In an effort to put the tree into these but also keep them quiet on track I bred an excellent Mtn. Cur named Yeller to Luna who is out of Duce and Streak. My thoughts on this is that if I can get a good treedog out of that and run it into Tommy (1st cross Stag x BC) I'll hopefully be able to get something that has both the border collie brain and that Mtn.Cur's tree sense. It's a long shot and also depends on getting dogs that are worth breeding to in the first place. Anyhow, I'd be standing still if I just did nothing and who knows, this might be the ticket all by itself. The bonus here is that if they don't tree, they will still be extra useful for coyotes and just general lurchers. If it works out, it's going to make for some fun after the new year when it'll be time to start them. The ingredience are good, should be fun to see what these do.

[Dan McDonough]

On another note, there may be a few people that wonder just where this project is going with the coming of the Mtn. Cur based lurchers. I have two side to this project in my mind. One side is a lurcher that is meant to compliment hounds and be able to be cut into a hunt to clean up fast after the jump. The other side is an augmented hound that does it all, which I an quite a bit farther away from completing.

A handful of houndsmen don't need a new kind of dog but may want something to cover unique circumstances that are difficult for a hound...in comes the lurcher. It seems to me that a good quality lurcher may be of use to quite a few people, not to mention people who just like a quiet catching machine. There are a lot of pelt hunters that would love a great lurcher if it treed. All those really are is a serious upgrade on the Mtn. Cur anyhow.

The Ultimate Cat Dog is a great deal more complicated, and seems so the farther I get along into this project.

I did just find out a useful piece of information that I will repeat into it's own thread. Here it is.

There's always been a lot of theories pertaining to the value of the male versus female in a breeding. I've only really heard a long string of guesses over the years until about a few weeks ago. It's been proven that the genetic code for the making of the frontal lobe of the brain is only carried by the male. Also, the genetic code for the making of the cerebellum is only carried by the female.

If you look up what characteristics and functions are performed by each of those parts you will find that this is a very interesting fact and very useful information when you go to make selections for which dogs your going to breed together to get your next Ultimate Bobcat Dog.

[Dan McDonough]

This is in reference to the above comment about male vs. female contributions to the making of the brains of their offspring. I'm getting very frustrated being unable to find the document that I read that told of this. I did however run into a geneticist that is nearing the end of their doctoral thesis that is willing to help me find this information. All of that being said, if anyone comes across this information and would be willing to send it to me or share it on this thread I would greatly appreciate it. I'm having no luck searching for it and as I said, it's very frustrating. The way things are going, it looks like someone else is more likely to find it than I am.

[Dan McDonough]

Another note I'd like to add is that some folks from Green Bay ended up with one of Tommy & Vicki's brother a couple of years ago. They're just sport dog people and what they do with their dogs has no bearing on bobcat hunting except that it speaks to the physical ability of these lurchers. They ran Gryff (Tommy & Vicki's brother) in dock diving and four months, were 5th in the world.

Some folks may not see the value in this but I do. Any physical advantage is good and the ability to jump higher or farther translates into catching up to cats a little quicker than another dog that can't jump farther or higher.

The nice thing is that the physical ability is not even their best attribute...it's the brains. Many straight sighthounds can jump as far as Gryff, and farther. Not many dogs can go into the sport and jump competently in just a couple of months. I went to a couple of events to see it for myself and to see what kind of things hold a dog back from being good at this event. I was surprised at how much goes into a dog jumping long distance off of a dock. It seems simple but it is not. It's the brains and temperament of a dog that is the key. The physical ability alone will not get a dog to the top of the heap in that sport. Once again, in a completely different setting, those BC brains made it possible.

I don't now how many people will see the value in this but some will and I hope this example will be of value to them.

Apparently, Gryff is also very good at the vertical jump competitions. I do not remember what they call those. I have not gotten a chance to witness this event yet.

All of these little things keep the distance between dog and cat at a minimum and that will account for for more cats on the stretcher.

[Twopipe]

This is a little different than passing on of brain attributes but kind of has to do with which is more important in a breeding, the male or the female.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_effect

[Dan McDonough]

Twopipe- That was a good refresher. I can't get around the lack of information put out there on the effects of the maternal contribution though. Particularly, it seems, that the available information on some of the "talents" of the Y chromosome are left out of the public eye. It's as if they are trying to hide something.

There's no doubt that having a really good female to breed to is absolutely necessary. I've gotten that part down over the years and it sure is easier finding a good male to breed to so that's not a problem. The difficulty is in the art of matching the right male and female and that information about which parent contributes which part of the brain is an eye opener and makes that art a little easier. I should have saved that info. if for no other reason than I knew I was going to pass it around to everyone I knew that likes to breed dogs.

Since reading that, I've been watching all of the people I know well and their kids and of course, dogs too. It's an interesting bit of information and it's making a whole range of things become more clear.

By the way, there are a whole bunch of things "they" don't want the sheeple to know about genetics. That much I can tell you.

[Dan McDonough]

Well, the Stag x Mtn. Cur pups look like really nice little Labrador Retrievers at this point but I expect the muzzles to start to lengthen shortly. It looks like they will have good double coats for winter and they are about as healthy as any pups I've had. It's always fun sitting out and watching them when they're up and active. It'll be a while before I can make any picks. I hope I can find a couple of tree dogs in this group.